brockhage navigator set

by **milkman22** » 27 Jul 2004 16:25

NO. You should get the set. He means most of the picks. some of them are euro/slim type picks. About 3 or 4 i think. It's a really good set, so i think you sould get it

by **mbell** » 27 Jul 2004 16:37

Basically, the navigator set is a good set.

If you look at the actual manufacturer's site at http://www.locksmith-tools-supply.com/p ... ain217.htm you'll notice that the thickness of the picks varies between different picks (the thickness of the steel used to make the picks).

Most manufacturer's picks are between 0.50 and 0.65mm thick. Some of Rogan's/Dino's/Brockhage's picks are 1.00 and 0.80mm in thickness, hence they are not usuable in a large number of locks. That's the one fault I see.

by **Eagerpicker** » 27 Jul 2004 18:49

By and large, I would agree with mbell. However, the few picks that are thin enough to fit a narrow keyway, have almost all of them hooks that are too big to fit said narrow keyways, no matter how much you twist and boogie and slant them. AND: :cry:

the one pick I absolutely adored, wrote ballads for and serenaded under moon-lit skies, broke *snap* off today. I never ever put too much pressure on it, though. It must have been metal fatigue or some such ailment that befalls the more unfortunate tools. So now I have a full Navigator set minus the one pick that worked for me, and I am turning towards my LAB and SouthOrd picks for solace and support.

A sad but always Eagerpicker...

by **WhiteHat** » 27 Jul 2004 19:10

hmmm...... all of the navigator picks are greater than .5mm thick...

what I want/need is a set of graduated hooks, some thicker and stronger and deeper for normal locks, others thiner and shallower for tighter locks.

I'm actually quite happy with my southord non-slimline hooks (I've ground down the deep hook) but the problem is that I want more variations and slimmer tangs...

so I guess that lab set is looking fairly good right at the moment...just not a fan of double ended, non-handled picks...

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:13

just a heads up whitehat, I own a set of lab picks and they are wonderful for restrictive keyways. They are however extremely thin and therefore fragile. I find that if I carry my set throughout the day that quite often they are bent slightly just from carrying them. The shafts vary in size at the thinnest point from .038 to .042 to .046 to .050. Just for reference a standard southord medium hook is .072 at its thinnest point.

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:14

And just another comparison, a standard sewing needle is .040 in diameter. :shock:

by **WhiteHat** » 27 Jul 2004 20:21

ok, what about the vertical hight of the navigator picks? i.e. tang hight along the part that enters the keyway.

are the navigator picks thinner that way than southord/hpc ect? my biggest problem at the moment is touching front pins while picking back ones..

guess I should just download some templates hey....

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:34

Brochage navigator tang height at highest point are as follows.
#1=.102
#2=.104
#5=.125
#8=.086
#9=.129
#12=.114
#13=.112
Number correspond to brochage's numbering of the picks. Measurements are in inches.

A southord slim line hook measures .100 at highest tang point(tang measurements all the same except for all slimline hook designs).

The lab picks measure either .114 or .122 at the highest point which is at the handle and taper to the minimum dimension listed above very quickly.

by **WhiteHat** » 27 Jul 2004 20:45

sorry to bug you again but do you have the tang height of a standard southord hook for comparison?

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:53

The tang height of a std southord hook is .141 at the handle. I have a picture comparing the picks we just talked about. I will try to find somewhere to host it so I can post it here.

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:56

Here is the image. Photobucket resized it so I hope you can still get some valuable input from it.

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 20:58

sorry about that, try this one.

by **WhiteHat** » 27 Jul 2004 21:09

excelent! perfect!

*hearty applause in the background*

thank you - exactly what I need to make a decision, I'm sure other people will appreciate it also!

by **zeke79** » 27 Jul 2004 21:11

no problem, glad I could help.

by **Romstar** » 27 Jul 2004 23:39

Ya know something?

The more and more I compare comercial picks, the more I like my designs.

The only picks I have ever had break were the few that were over heated by my own stupidity.

Every single one of my picks is tested before it ever leaves the shop. I'm really going to have to get that digital camera.

Romstar

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