TIGON Lock, interesting

[Jaakko]

I've never seen a worn abloy key, I suppose the wear comes from being on a keychain knocking around with other keys, I don't see the key wearing from use, theres just not the resistance or friction there.

Show us a picture Jaacko

I'm sorry that I don't have to offer any pictures on this, but my Abloy Classic key that is now 23 years old, has a very rounded tip and the edges of cuts are also rounded quite heavily.

The wear comes from inserting the key (it always scrubs a little to the first disc or two) because you never introduce it perpendicular to the keyway. The other wear comes from pulling the door open with the key. Remember, we have latch mechanisms as door locks, so you have to keep the lock turned open until you open the door. (there is an exception to this; Abloy PRIVAT series). The third and probably minimalistic wear comes from the key knocking around n a keychain against other things and from the grit in the lock itself.

[Eyes_Only]

Has anyone actually been able to open these cheap disc locks?

[dougfarre]

I had a front tension tool i bought from the Chinese company. I tried for like three weeks until I realized it was a rear tension lock. I haven't even seen a front tension disk lock.

[Eyes_Only]

Was it the one advertised on ukbumpkeys or newsparkling?

[mh]

I haven't even seen a front tension disk lock.

A few ABUS Plus versions have that 'feature'.

Cheers,
mh

[raimundo]

I have a tigon, (thank you, ____) and the newsparkling 1097 pick, before the extra bits were added to the 1097 thumbnail, just the abloy type pick.
So far, I have not opened the tigon. interesting that the key has only a few cuts and the lock may have as many as 9 discs, most of which would necessarily have to make the full quarter turn of a tensioning disc since they hav no cut on the key.

The newsparkling 1097 is a bit rough, and I have been thinking about getting it sanded so it can pass forward and aft without hangling up on the edges, that is, I will round the cross piece on all its unnecessary sharp edges. this pick is front disc tensioning.

There are no places to index where you are in the lock, for some of these picks like the european one, the marks are there and probably specific to abloy, however with many oriental variations on the lock, there are probably differences in disc thickness and spacers. So an un calibrated tool would be the thing for use on a lot of varients

[nothumbs]

Here's a photo of the Fangyuan version of the lock:

http://www.zooomr.com/photos/jeremybrooks/2659651/

They are selling on eBay for $11US ($1 plus $10 shipping) with four keys. The eBay ad has additional photos of the lock including the keys. You can easily see the limited number of key cuts in the photos. I think I'll get one and try it out.

[raimundo]

the TIGON lock is front tensioning, I Used the newsparkling 1097 to open it when it opens, its absolutely smooth, no resistance, the discs feel nicely when you get used to the tool. however you are feeling where you are in the disc stack, as to feeling information on the state of the gates and fence, well there really is none Ive noticed yet. turning the discs feels rough, and one must remember that you can turn the disc in both directions with the tool so oversetting is simply reset.
by simply going with a light tension, and moving the tool among the discs while giveing each disc some action, it just eventually falls open.

there are quite a few videos on You tube of the 1097disc pick and various different locks being opened.

[nothumbs]

I want to be careful here, but what I'm interested in is has anyone evaluated the quality of the DE resistance of the Fangyuan knockoffs? I don't want this to end up in advanced, so let's avoid discussion of methods. I'm just curious if anyone has tested the usual tools on one of these locks, and if so, would they care to compare and contrast the resistance to such attacks for this lock to, oh say, an Abus or Abloy of roughly the same shank diameter.

[raimundo]

The Tigon lock that a member sent me, picked quite easily with the newsparking pick for a while, I admit it did it quite a bit, can't say how many times, but eventually something interesting happened, the 1097 newsparkling pick stopped working, this pick tensions on the first disc, and the disc or something in the lock seems to have worn down, now the pick cannot tension it because it just rotates all the way around, and won't take tension,
But the keys still work.

[Mutzy]

looks similar to my Solex Padlock that my brother in law got when he went overseas. To the best of my knowledge, it's front tensioning too.

You got a pic of that newsparkling 1097 tool Rai?

[Engineer]

I've a couple that are identical, except for the name. Mine are made by Silverline:

http://www.silverlinetools.com/index.html?code=447136

they are about half-way down the page and are listed as HIGH SECURITY SQUARE STEEL PADLOCK" with a close-up image at:

http://www.silverlinetools.com/images/l ... 595754.jpg

They claim they are all made to the best quality.

They look Chinese to me.

[nothumbs]

Ray, thanks, but that's NDE, and what I was wondering was had anyone tried DE on these locks. You know, the usual bolt cutter, saw, jack, and so on.

[n2oah]

Ray, thanks, but that's NDE, and what I was wondering was had anyone tried DE on these locks. You know, the usual bolt cutter, saw, jack, and so on.

It looks as if DE would be fairly easy. For these locks, DE then replacing the lock is probably more cost effective in a lockout. If you have one to spare, I'd be happy to destroy it.

[raimundo]

6 inch cutoff disc power tool.