Picking a Masterlock # 21

[shadowknight]

Ok so i read the topics i needed to before posting and i read that http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS

would be good. But i was wondering if this would do the job i need it to do. I want to pick a lock that i have for practice for emergency uses like if i loose a key i can pick. I saw alot of youtube videos and people were using Key bumpers. but idk wat the hell that is but its soo cool so if you guys can Give me a list of things i will need to pick this lock and if "MPXS-14- Lock Pick Set with Metal Handles" will do.

-Thanks

[ToolyMcgee]

Key bumpers? No, there should never be any reason for you to need to bump a master 21. Unlike a no1, 3, or 5 a 21 should have a cylinder with 5 pins. I don't know though, all of the 5 pin master cylinders I have have got some kind of barrel pin and are M2 keyways... still not the toughest. What was the question again? Right, I don't own a no 21, but even a smaller set of standard pin tumbler picks should be capable of picking a master in seconds with a little practice.

Did you read freakparade's sticky?

[hydruh]

Give me a list of things i will need to pick this lock
...

1) Practice
2) Practice
3) Practice
4) Read a lot.

Here are some links that will help you.

viewtopic.php?t=10677
viewtopic.php?t=19288

Get a practice lock (Kwikset deadbolt it the best if you are in the US - fill out your location field in your profile) and do not pick locks that aren't for practice. They break a lot easier than you think.

Good luck!

S

[shadowknight]

Lets say im pretty good already and just wanna start picking locks like jump right into that field with out practice. I know you shouldnt rush these types of things but i was wondering what is better for price/tools

http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS
or
http://www.lockpickshop.com/MPXS-08.html

[ToolyMcgee]

Lets say you are pretty good, but you havn't practiced? Number of tools doesn't make up for lack of practice. Purely from a math standpoint I'd say mpxs14 because it has more tools that you might use. Except for the huge feeler pick, key extractor, and crazy looking rake you can find regular use from most of them I'd think.

I would say make your own short hook and tensioner to try out, but you sound like you have your mind made up. Glad you have found a way to become pretty good at something without trying it. You should let the rest of us in on your secret.

[freakparade3]

Read here viewtopic.php?t=39809

[shadowknight]

i did read it and thats where i got the links but now i found

http://www.jmlock.com/index.asp?PageAct ... ProdID=348

and out of the 3 Which has the tools i will need --- best price-- best amount of tools things like that

[shadowknight]

bump

[datagram]

For now stick with something basic. Really any of the 8/11/14 piece kits from one of the big sellers (Peterson, Southorn, HPC) will be fine. Bigger than that is probably not worth it, as you'll probably gravitate to only a few of the picks and rarely use the others.

Later on when you have more experience you can append single picks to your set that or just buy another set if your prefer.

dg

[Raymond]

To ToolyMcGee
Just to provide clear info about the Master No.21. It is a rekeyable laminated lock. You can insert either a five or four pin cylinder in an assortment of keyways. The little one that uses the M2 blank is the No. 7. The No.7 is often hard to pick just because it is so small and most of the normal tools are too large. FYI

[ToolyMcgee]

To ToolyMcGee
Just to provide clear info about the Master No.21. It is a rekeyable laminated lock. You can insert either a five or four pin cylinder in an assortment of keyways. The little one that uses the M2 blank is the No. 7. The No.7 is often hard to pick just because it is so small and most of the normal tools are too large. FYI

Oh, how could I have been so woefully inaccurate. The W27 cylinder, the five pin cylinder I was referring to, is almost two thousandths of an inch wider than the W2 cylinder. W27 uses a K27 blank, and W2 uses a K2 blank. K1 is M1 and K2 is M3. K7 is M2. You see? So, I was mistaken. Surely I wasn't suggesting a K7 key blank could be used in place of a possible K27. Thank you for correcting my grave error instead of fielding the question of our young friend here. I'm sure he appreciates it as much as a solution to his problem. There is probably a grammar error or two in this reply. Correcting it would really fix my wagon.

If you were trying to be helpful to me then I apologize and thank you. However it sounds like a cheap shot. I own a wheel barrow full of laminated Master locks and I certainly know the difference between a No 7 and a larger model. Just because I don't check the tech manual for every newb question doesn't mean I don't know where to find the file.
FYI I find them all easy to pick.

-Tooly

[Raymond]

Hello, Tooly,

I was replying directly to this quote:
"Unlike a no1, 3, or 5 a 21 should have a cylinder with 5 pins. I don't know though, all of the 5 pin master cylinders I have have got some kind of barrel pin and are M2 keyways... still not the toughest."

It gave me the impression that you were not exactly certain what you were talking about. If I sounded like I was talking down to you then I apologize as that was not intended. My only interest was to provide a clarification and some correct information. By the way, what is the barrel pin you are referring to?

Raymond