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ToolyMcgee's Picks

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Postby Brianpojo56 » 5 Sep 2008 5:54

I dig it :)
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Postby ady1989 » 5 Sep 2008 12:54

Nice tools man, the competition pick looks amazing. I got one question though: how well does it open locks? It seems like putting the half diamond and falle hook together would make it half as good as each, simply because it doesn't have the reach. I could be wrong, please provide some info on this.
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Postby mr_chris79 » 5 Sep 2008 19:15

Tooly yet again some more excellent looking picks!! Well done matey i love checking this thread!! :D :wink:
if everyone who tried something new liked it but didnt bother telling anyone else there would never be anything new to try...
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Postby ToolyMcgee » 7 Sep 2008 4:11

Criminalhate: Thanks. What you said about deciding to keep it simple early on in the competition kept me from loosing my marbles when some of my giganitic multipicks were to complicated to be anything but eye candy or ninja stars.

BrianPojo56: Gracias. Just representin' for the trash diggers. :mrgreen:

Mr_chris79 and LearningtheArt: Thank you for the enthusiastic encouragement guys. It's much appreciated.

ady1989 wrote:Nice tools man, the competition pick looks amazing. I got one question though: how well does it open locks? It seems like putting the half diamond and falle hook together would make it half as good as each, simply because it doesn't have the reach. I could be wrong, please provide some info on this.


Oh, you just said the magic words. Yes, it does seem like it would kill the function of the falle hook and it would if it wasn't finished in such a way that it is manueverable. It is sanded not just smooth, but with an actual shape that makes it workable even in an American keyway. I had lots of fun popping my shrouded brinks with it. It takes a bit of manuevering which I admit requires a bigger handle than it is outfitted with to get the most out of, but it is smoothly snaked through most locks using top tension. The space at the end of a slight falle rise is exactly the size of this half diamond, so as long as it has wards that can be manuevered through it doesn't have to slide under low pins because it can drop down in the keyway to get past them. Other than that it functions like a regular falle. It is a medium sized half diamond, so even though it works in every lock I own, it is most effortless in deadbolt sized locks. Mostly because to use stainless steel it had to be thicker to be stiff enough for my likeing, and also because most of the locks I use the falle on are large enough to accomodate the normal size. I find myself not flipping it over from the half diamond so much unless it requires a high pin set in the back, because the half diamond works so well on the "broken" shaft for setting the first four pins in any lock and it can usually drop in the keyway to get to the back as well. Make one and you will see how the slight bend gives the half diamond more space to set high pins next to lower ones. It isn't the ONE pick to defeat them all because like any half diamond or falle it has it's limits. It would be difficult to set a 0 next to a 7 in an American, but most short hooks won't do that either. It may look like a steeper sweep for a hook than it actually is because of the close up pictures, but it is actually about a falle safe 1 or maybe a little less. I've got a few steel ones made that are thinner with small half diamonds for tips, but the idea remains the same just on a smaller scale for really tight paracentric keyways and padlocks. I also feel it would be highly effective with a half ball instead of a half diamond, but sacrifice pin control for more manueverability.

What was the question again? Right... it opens locks great, or I wouldn't have been able to enter it. I'm eager to hear the judges experiences with their locks though as I only have 12 different keyways to test on not including the locks I have never opened.

I tried many combinations of standard tools. Here's one of my hybrid failures.
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It is a snake rake that doubles as a ball fulcrum short hook. The problem here is to make the short hook effective I had to make the snake rake so slim it was ineffective. Also, after much frustration trying to make it work I realized the snake rake is a little used pick, so who cares if I blend one with an effective pick like a cupped short hook? It does work fairly well, but who cares? It's trash that would never be a pick someone reached for first. Maybe I'll blend an L rake with a W rake and call it the pin duster... "Why SPP to the shearline when you can rake the pins to a pile of filings with the DUSTER" The point I am trying to reach here is that combining some tools diminishes properties of one or both. This tool was a good fulcrum short hook, but a poor snake rake. Just two tools smashed together. The "broken" half diamond seems to be a new tool that is similar to both. While the use of the hook is slightly diminished by the half diamond it can be overcome with sanding, and the half diamond seems to benefit from the bend in the shaft instead of being crippled by it. It's a 1:1 ratio for a two in 1 tool. I'm glad it worked out so well or I would have been turning in a double ended pick. Half diamond and falle hook. It really is neat to pick with, and I hope to get a version that is an even better mix of the two nailed in carbon steel. It is another reason why I designed the handle to be removable. Maintinence of the carbon steel.

Anyway thanks for asking ady. I was hoping someone would so I could rattle on about it. I think I have done that adequately and then some. I didn't see your pick in the contest thread. Did you get a chance to finish one and send it in?

Guess who stuck his foot in his mouth saying stainless wiper inserts wouldn't be worth the time to temper. :oops: Seems to be a habit of mine. Oh well. More tools for another day. Peace out.

-ToolyMcgee.
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Postby ady1989 » 7 Sep 2008 11:06

Thanks for all the info, you covered everything I wanted to know about it. I will give making one a try when I have some more spare time. The pick is very stylish, excellent work. Good luck in the competition, I still have to get my entry in but I'm very pressed for time.
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Postby roxylass » 7 Sep 2008 11:46

OMG 8)
THE NOON DAY TRAIN WILL BRING FRANK MILLER.
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Postby Trip Doctor » 11 Sep 2008 21:11

I made a similar thing a while back (without a pretty handle, lol), it was a hook combined with a two peak bogota - yea.. didn't work very well. Well, the hook part didn't work well, because the bogota peaks on the other side would get in the way and interfere with feedback from the hook. The bogota part worked fine though. After that pick, I decided not to combine any more picks into one, haha. I like the hook/reach and the half diamond one you did though. Nice job.
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wire wrap

Postby selim » 29 Sep 2008 19:45

How do you suck the wire into the handle on the middle part

Great work!!

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Re: wire wrap

Postby ToolyMcgee » 30 Sep 2008 5:26

tripdoctor wrote:I made a similar thing a while back (without a pretty handle, lol), it was a hook combined with a two peak bogota - yea.. didn't work very well.

After you said that, I had to try one. You are right, it didn't really work for crap.
selim wrote:How do you suck the wire into the handle on the middle part

Like so,
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It is just a small groove cut into the handle to allow the wire enough space to be forced though. One at the start and one where you want the collar to end. Alternate sides of course. The way I do it there is no sucking involved, but to each his own. :mrgreen: Thanks for asking.

This is the pick from the above photo:
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It took me awhile to figure out a good way to twist the wires into a recognizable pattern. Soon I hope to be able to make them straight lines of color. If any jewelers out there have suggestions on how to get an even twist on lengths longer than 3 feet, I would really like to know, so I can wrap an entire handle.

That's all for just now. Peace.

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twist

Postby raimundo » 30 Sep 2008 6:20

to get an even twist, take a long wire and bend it in half, lock one end into a bench vise mounted solidly, pull both ends out and make sure the pieces lay flat against each other, this can be achieved by repeated long stroke of some wood dragged along the length.

twist the ends of these wires together and clamp them firmly in the chuck of a hand drill, start to crank the hand drill, the wire will turn slightly along the entire lengh. as you turn the crank more, you should achieve an even twist along the entire length, if you do not, there is a problem with the temper of the wire being uneven but most wire will not have this problem if you don't cause it with heat.
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Re: twist

Postby ToolyMcgee » 30 Sep 2008 16:24

That is almost exactly the process I have been using. Doll rod to work out the kinks, old stanley hand crank drill, bench vice. When I tried it the first few times it was locking pliers jammed into the spindle of an old hose reel instead of the hand drill. I had been leaving a little space between wires at the bench vice so I could make even tension on the wires and be sure they were separated. Now that you say not to leave space I realize it is what was creating the uneven tension in the first place. Hopefully I can make it work now. Thanks a ton Raimundo.
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Re: ToolyMcgee's Picks

Postby ToolyMcgee » 25 Oct 2008 3:24

This is an old set I made about a week before I posted my first columbian royals.
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For auto locks. I don't really find much use for them since my collection is limited, but I spent so much time polishing them it would be a shame not to show them off. :mrgreen:

I can't post new pics at the moment, so I dug out some more oldies. Hopefully that changes soon.
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Re: ToolyMcgee's Picks

Postby ToolyMcgee » 25 Oct 2008 3:44

Oops. I accidentally hit the submit button instead of preview. Sorry the pictures are so huge. I don't know why the ball pick looks so uneven. It must be the reflection.
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That's a little better, but it still looks off...

Oh well. I was thinking of doing a better DB anyway, and why not do another SB in addition. Like I needed a reason. Peace.

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Re: ToolyMcgee's Picks

Postby raimundo » 25 Oct 2008 10:37

Try that ball pick on a dimple lock using it to insert the pick tip under a pin and then rotate the pick handle to lift the pin.

Once again, they look beautiful. the polish and the photography.

No im not pulling your leg, I mean it.
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Re: ToolyMcgee's Picks

Postby barbarian » 25 Oct 2008 17:32

If you are looking for some different colors of wire for your handles, aircraft lock wire is fairly easy to get. The standard stuff is Stainless and about .020 thick. It's pretty soft and easy to work with. If you shop a bit you can find sizes down to .003 and materials like Nickel, Aluminum, Titanium.
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