cruciform "Papaiz" from brazil

[cppdungeon]

SO. I went to the restore today, and it was beautiful. i got a ton of locks that im sure i will post about later, but one stood out; a cruciform lock labeled "Papaiz 18 pin"

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4558/img2571ae1.jpg

I haven't picked it yet, but i thought it was an interesting find worthy of posting about

oh yea, and i got it for about 50 cents. i love the restore!

[ToolyMcgee]

50 cents? No key though. That is one of the more unusual locks I have ever seen someone buy at a Restore. Awesome find. Now all that's left is picking it, which will probably be easier than finding a key blank. Good luck.

-Tooly

[Eyes_Only]

Lol, thats funny! The makers of this lock were so confident in their product that they decided to tell the whole world exactly how many pins you need to pick to open the lock.

[MacGnG1]

this is prolly what the key looks like

http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/22577.jpg

[Dak]

Where you you put the tension wrench?

btw nice lock

[Eyes_Only]

If I'm not mistaken (its been a while since I've come across these) one of the crux "arm" doesn't come with any pins. I think it was to help with being able to insert the key in the proper orientation I think. If you can identify which one that is you can probably place your tension wrench there. Or if I was wrong or either way you can most likely use a wishbone tension wrench.

[raimundo]

to orient the key one of the arms of the keyway is typically wider as is the corresponding blade of the key, so that it can only be inserted one way.

I have seen cheap copies where this is not done but all the bittings are symetrical and the same on each of the blades.

tell us if yours has pins in three of the arms and a thicker keyway on the one that has no pins.

[MacGyver101]

to orient the key one of the arms of the keyway is typically wider as is the corresponding blade of the key, so that it can only be inserted one way.

Rai's correct on that: the left and bottom channels are wider on those particular cylinders, in order to prevent you from inserting the key in the wrong orientation.

[freakparade3]

Pretty easily picked with the proper tool. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what the tool is.

[Dak]

garsh darn advanced tools


I would think having one of the arms having no pins would make more sense seeing as 18 isnt divisable by 4. But then again they could have varying pins, but that would just drive me crazy

[zeke79]

Pick as a normal lock. as you said 18/3 means six pins in each row likely at 9 6 and 3 positions leaving 12 open to apply the tension. Atleast that is how my LIPS versions of the locks have been. All in all a pretty easy pick as when working with 3 shearlines tolerances will always drop. That is how the lips versions of the locks were.

[MacGnG1]

cpp!!! pick it!!!

[cppdungeon]

Trying...The keyway is pretty easy, and i figured out how to tension it. Its similar to the IC cores with holes drilled through and through from top to bottom, so the bottom part, which you all guessed correctly is pinless, has a hole in the bottom. i just took a bobby pin and made a hooky thing to hook in there and tension it. the hard part is finding the binding pins. there are 18 to check...

[RangerF150]

I got one of the LIPS locks from Zeke, it's really easy to open
I just used a standard tension wrench, which worked quite well.
Only problem is you have to pick it several times in the same way you have to pick a tubular lock several times to get a full turn.
In the case of the cruciform lock you get a quarter turn each time you pick it.

An easy, but fun lock to pick

[ToolyMcgee]

RangerF150:

Have you ever been able to pick it and use a wide blade plug spinner to race it past other pin chambers?