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KEYING A MILNER SAFE

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KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby prag » 15 Nov 2008 14:19

This safe is a grand old lady. I am in total awe with this safe. I guessitimate to be 60+ years old, if not more. After all these years the safe in still in good working order.


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Foto is not the best. Front view of the Milner safe. Just below the big circular insignia
is a little square cover and when push up reveals the key way for the lock.


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The back "cover" of the door. That is still the origal insignia. Picture does not show clearly but at the bottom right corner there is a picture of two naked men forging steel. Why would they be nake???? :o :o


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These are the triple bolts thats about 1.5cm wide.


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This is the inside of the door minus the lock and lock mechanism. When the lever on the other side is turned, the bolt on this picture turns "talon" to move the bolts in or out thus locking or unlocking the safe.


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The lock unopened. The brass circle is the curtain which will be revealed later.


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Inside the lock.Notice the curtain I mentioned earlier. Also notice the jaggered or serrated edges of the levers. Also the spring section are part of the lever. Thats the prepared blank ready to be filed.


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The base of the lock minus the levers. Pretty dirty at this moment. The curtain actually throws the bolt.


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All the pieces taken apart and ready for cleaning.


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This picture demonstrates the curtain throwing the bolt.


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The lock in locked position. Notice the spring on the curtian. I suppose it there to facilitate the smooth action of the curtain and bolt action.


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The 7 levers all cleaned and ready to be assembled. Here the jaggered or serrated edges of the levers can clearly be seen. Also notice the grooves in which the bolt stump moves in. Also the gates on the levers are at different places or cut different hights and one has a side lying "L" shaped cut in it.


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The first lever and the first cut on the key.


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Lifts the lever and the bolt is thrown. Six more to go....... :wink:


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This is why I am in such awe of this lock. Look at the serrated edges of the lever and serrated edge on the bolt stump. Now when trying to pick this lock and too much tension is placed on the talon, the two angles of the edges mashed together and lock in place. Ingenious :!: :!: :!:


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Side view of all the levers, curtain ,curtain spring etc in locked position


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In half locked position and notice how the bolt stump flows through the gates.


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Bolt at open postition.

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The lock cover on and in open position.

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The lock cover on and in locked position.

Like I stated earlier, this is the best lock I've worked on to date. The engineering is a work of art and precise. With a bit of greasing and cleaning the lock was working like a dream. In fact this safe was for a church and in passing I said to person in charge that with a bit of greasing and cleaning I'd have the lock singing like an angel. He just chuckled. This lock took about just under two hours to complete and it was the best two spent on a lock thus far. Enjoy and please feel free to comment. Thanx.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby barbarian » 15 Nov 2008 17:27

Thanks for posting that.

I always enjoy looking at quality, old and well built.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby n2oah » 15 Nov 2008 21:09

Great stuff, excellent work on the safe. I don't advise you forge steel while you're naked, or you might get some very personal burns! Lever locks with serrated stumps and lever packs are not uncommon.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby globallockytoo » 16 Nov 2008 2:19

Many of those on Commonwealth found safes across the (former) British Empire.

They were standard issue by all related governments for securing "just about" anything.

Worked on a significant number in Australia.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby arris » 16 Nov 2008 14:12

i had to make keys to one of these just last week, as the keys they had were very badly worn,

altho i have worked on a few, the one i had last week was special as it had a pin coming out the oposite side to the bolt, which was connected an on the safe was a pin that rested in it, connected to a simple AED,

what is also strange about cutting keys is how you have to work oposite to normal due to the lever being pivoted in the middle,

very nice locks tho :)
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby straightpick » 17 Nov 2008 23:18

Very nice work on a great lock. That is what locksmithing is all about!
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby lockeymoto » 20 Nov 2008 0:49

Very cool and well done!
I really like some of the old locks, always interesting.
:)
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby scoobyhunter » 20 Nov 2008 9:56

wow,thats a nice lock,imagine when that was built,how hi-tech it was/is! did people pick locks then??? cos its definatly been made to resist picking.id like to have one!! well documented. :wink:
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby Major Boothroyd » 23 Nov 2008 13:04

Thank you for posting this, really incredible how simple, yet amazing it is. Really going to have to read up on safes and lever locks when I've got a couple hours.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby New-York-Locksmith » 24 Nov 2008 5:11

It's nice, really great work, described very clearly.
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Re: KEYING A MILNER SAFE

Postby xlr8ed1 » 4 Dec 2008 4:40

there are plenty of these "212" (the temp that paper burns) safes where i am and i do agree that they are nicely made.
Can you guess why the lock has such a enclosed space for the levers?

it was to prevent gun powder being inserted and blowing the lock off the door - enhence also the the 6 bolts you can see in the picture plus the back cover holding it onto the door.

This safe was made in a time when all sorts of junk safes were being made in dirt floor factories - prior to WW1 - and before anyone gets hurt feelings yes there were junk safes being made - basically out of anything they could find and usually the body was filled with floor sweepings and sawdust. In the saw dust there would be a crystal of alum which when heated by fire would produce steam which in turn would wet the sawdust filling and keep your paper protected.
However in England Milner, John Tann and Chubb where the exception in my opinion generally quite well made safes and locks and i respect them
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