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by mattman » 20 Nov 2008 18:47
Hey everyone! I just finished designing my new Authorization/Waiver forms for people to sign before I do the lockout work, and I wanted to get other people opinion on how it sounds. There a description on the form of the work to be done, and then this for the person to sign: I hereby certify that I have the authority to order the lockout work designated above. Further, I waive the right to hold the locksmith responsible for any property damage that may occur through the proper use of lockout techniques that may be used to accomplish the above work.
Name:_____________________________________ Date:__________
Is there anything you would add, or take out of it? Thanks for any help or advice you could give me. Matt
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by lunchb0x » 20 Nov 2008 19:57
how about adding a licence number? at least then if there is a problem and you get a visit from the police you have a bit more than just a name to go off of.
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by MacGnG1 » 20 Nov 2008 21:14
i agree with lunchb0x. name, address, phone number, etc... to identify the person signing and to identify where the work is being done
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by mattman » 20 Nov 2008 21:16
lunchb0x wrote:how about adding a licence number? at least then if there is a problem and you get a visit from the police you have a bit more than just a name to go off of.
Thanks. I do have a place for the year, make, model and the license plate number of the automobile on the top half of the form where I describe the work that is going to be performed. I was wondering if the part that I posted is good enough for an authorization/wavier, or if I needed to change or add anything. I want it to be legal, and at the same time, be good enough to protect me from any frivolous claims of me damaging property. Matt
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by lunchb0x » 20 Nov 2008 21:36
Having the car details or the address of where you opened would be useless if it turns out that the person you did the job for didn't own the car or live at that address, having details on the customer is important, also what I would do if opening a house is write down the licence plate of the car that the customer was in as well, just an extra piece of info on them.
You might be better off seeing a lawyer about the legality of the waiver as well, just so if something does happen you can't be held liable, no point having a waiver if its not worth the paper its written on.
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by straightpick » 20 Nov 2008 22:10
That waiver will protect you from prosecution about as well as it will protect you from a .357. If you are opening a lock to a house or business, youi HAVE to have better proof that a signature on a piece of paper. I will NOT open any lock for ANYBODY unless I am satisfied that they are the person who owns the place. Best to get their driver's license to verify the address and copy the number down, same as a store does when you pay with a check. If they don't have ID then refuse the job or offer to call the police to witness the opening. If they live there they surely won't mind and neither will the police. The area that will give you the most trouble is an apartment opening. Call the landlord to verify that the person actually lives there or again, have the police there. You're going to look pretty foolish if you find out that you let someone in somebody else's apartment. After a while you get a "gut" feeling about these things when something just doesn't smell right. Like the time I got a call to make keys for a Porsche. Dude looked kinda frumpy to own a car like that. Told him that it was "company policy" to have the police present to make car keys. Turned around to "call" the police, turned around again and that dude was nowhere in sight.
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by mattman » 21 Nov 2008 5:49
Thank you all for the input. I'll add a section on the form for the authorizing person's address, phone, proof of I.D., etc. Thanks again  ! Matt
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by Major Boothroyd » 23 Nov 2008 12:27
Having a lawyer look over it would definitely be a plus as you'd know you're covered from most of anything you would encounter. You could possibly word this part differently: occur through the proper use of lockout techniques that may be used to
Honestly I doubt you'll have any problems but might as well be prepared.
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by mattman » 24 Nov 2008 10:18
Major Boothroyd wrote:You could possibly word this part differently: occur through the proper use of lockout techniques that may be used to
Yes, that wording does sound kind of confusing. Currently, I have it worded as this: I hereby certify that I have the authority to order the locksmithing work designated above. Further, I understand that property damage may occur, even through proper the use of locksmithing techniques, and I waive the right to hold the locksmith responsible for any property damamge that may occur by the use of such techniques.
The only thing that I see that could cause a problem is the definition of the phrase, "proper use of locksmithing techniques." What one person may consider "proper use" may not be what another person would consider "proper use." I have a good friend at our church who is a lawyer, and I could have him look at it, and see what he says. I still have several months before I am going to be officially opening my own business, so I have some time to get things right. Thanks! Matt
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by chev49 » 2 Dec 2008 21:10
I would include: Sections for - (mostly for private 1 time work) 1- location of work (including time) ((day and date, address, etc if billing for commercial)) 2- verified ID 3. Description of work 4. Pre Inspection (like if the door or lock has been damaged - where, etc) 5. Work disclaimer (like you have done in above post, but much more extensive protection) 6. Contract price, (additional costs per unit, etc) 7. Authorization signatures 8- Invoice sections with total and paid or bill to boxes.
I personally use both a page above with my business header on top and a separate invoice book because I do mostly commercial & after setting up the acct I just send them the invoice. Rick
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by prag » 4 Dec 2008 10:37
Hi. Could you share or show us a copy of your form. Sounds like an interesting concept and great suggestions from the forum users.
Thanx
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by Engineer » 7 Dec 2008 15:23
This posting has come at the right time for me. I am currently designing new forms for ourselves when our current supply run out.
I am happy enough to release the form to this group, so you can download it and print it out, or get it printed. My question now is how would you prefer it, as a single page PDF? Or as a graphic (say .jpg)?
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by MacGnG1 » 7 Dec 2008 22:54
Engineer wrote:This posting has come at the right time for me. I am currently designing new forms for ourselves when our current supply run out.
I am happy enough to release the form to this group, so you can download it and print it out, or get it printed. My question now is how would you prefer it, as a single page PDF? Or as a graphic (say .jpg)?
PDF would be the best quality but jpg would be easier to view.
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by Engineer » 26 Dec 2008 9:54
I have done the forms finally, see topic: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=43312Please let me know what you think, as I have done my best to incorporate everything included in this topic, so filling in as much of the form as possible should cover all the points raised here?
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