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lever tumbler locks in the usa

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lever tumbler locks in the usa

Postby eleet » 5 Aug 2004 16:01

While traveling in Russia I have noticed a lot of strange looking (to me, being a yank) locks and security mechanisms installed on apartments and businesses. My own apartment door is some prison-style contraption with two double-sided locks, one 10 pins and one 9, and the latter is only operable from the outside (to keep thieves from coming in by a window and leaving by the door with your valuables.) I think 'security locks' in the US are a big fricking joke, and the best one in my possession is the ignition lock on my bimmer (four sets of tumblers, diagonally symmetric, lock will just spin if the wrong key is used... and there's a transponder.)

Lever tumbler locks seem to be very common, and never having seen these before I went out and found some Russian-made locks. I ended up bringing home a mortise lock and a surface-mount lock.

Both are insane heavy locks with medieval-sized double bitted keys. They require four half-turns to open or close, and are supposedly pick-resistant and drill proof. See http://www.locks.ru/win/product/technology.shtml (link in russian, but it's well-illustrated.) The weakest point seems to be the cam that prevents the bolts from moving if the tumblers are not positioned correctly, due to its size, but it's supposedly ultra-hardened and has that spinning ball.

Do locksmiths etc. in the USA generally have experience opening these contraptions? I would guess that these would offer a measure of security if installed at home, because these are not common, and if someone figured out how the lock worked they'd then have to pick it four times.

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Postby CycloneJack » 5 Aug 2004 20:36

That looks nasty. I don’t think a lock like that could fly in the U.S. One reason is cosmetic. I’m sure it is secure, but unless you have a door, frame and wall to back it up, kind of useless. Unless you live in a bomb shelter or prison of course.
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Postby eleet » 5 Aug 2004 22:32

Yeah, well, the mortise lock is completely concealed in the door and you get a shiny metal plate with a keyhole for the exterior of the door. But it is pointless when most doors at home are wooden and the doorframe is not secured well to the structure.

I have seen some NICE looking metal doors, though. Wouldn't be bad in an apartment building (where you're up high and windows are hard to reach.)

Still, I wonder what a locksmith would be able to do if he found this contraption on a lockout call.
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Postby WhiteHat » 6 Aug 2004 0:27

they would have to pick it four times I guess.... could get frustrating, but it doesn't look like any of those leavers had security features like false notches etc..
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Postby toomush2drink » 6 Aug 2004 11:21

If im not mistaken there are loads of false notches on the stump and the levers. You could just drill the stump and the bolt could be slid back :D
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Postby Hak » 6 Aug 2004 13:08

eleet wrote:But it is pointless when most doors at home are wooden and the doorframe is not secured well to the structure.


Lol, im not saying your wrong there, but i have seen some demonstrations done where they hooked up a cable from a truck to a house door and it couldnt could pull the door from its frame becuz it was so secure.
I would laugh my @ss off if i saw some theif trying to break into someones house by hooking a cable to their truck and a house door, and try to pull it off.[/quote]
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Postby eleet » 7 Aug 2004 2:40

but i have seen some demonstrations done where they hooked up a cable from a truck to a house door and it couldnt could pull the door from its frame becuz it was so secure.


That must have been a well-anchored doorframe, and from looking at houses around Virginia this year, that's the exception, especially in these corporate "we will spend $85k building a house and sell it for $300k" planned developments that are all new-construction. I grew up in a sturdy house so I'm anal about this sort of thing. It seems pretty hard to find a house with a real foundation nowadays, let alone a brick house.

Those doors you saw probably opened in anyway. :)

btw, forgive me for starting this in the wrong forum!
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