mult-t-lock picking

[Squelchtone]

He sounds like all the Medeco locksmiths a year or two ago who would say, Medeco can't be picked, come to my shop and I'll hand you one off the shelf that you 'didn't doctor up for your youtube video' and I bet you won't be able to pick it.

Just because that particular locksmith can't pick it, and just because Medeco sales people have sold him over the years on the idea of how impossible the lock is to pick, does not mean it can't be picked.

Same goes for any level of Mul-T-Lock, be it Classic, Interactive, and if it uses old or new pins. Sure the new pins may make the picking take another minute or two, but it's not impossible.

Admitting that they can be picked would be admitting that he has been wrong every time he sold one to a customer and touted how awesome the locks are and and it would be admitting that he bought into a faulty system. Nobody wants to admit they were wrong. And I certainly don't think Medeco and Mul-t-Lock are crappy locks, they're very well made and very difficult to pick, but difficult to pick is relative to how many hours a day you practice. For us, none of this is very difficult.

Squelchtone

[n2oah]

I don't think this really goes with the spirit and goals of most members of this forum. The idea here is to learn, and to figure out how to solve puzzles. The MTL is an exceedingly good puzzle, but that doesn't mean it is uncrackable,

More importantly, the whole "what do I get when you fail" is a bad way to look at things. If I try to pick your lock and fail (which I almost certainly would, cuz I'm not that good) then you lose too. Because you didn't learn anything you didn't already know. But if I pick your lock and I succeed, then we both win.

I agree. Let's take a look at a historical example of a lockpicking challenge, The Great Exhibition of 1851, which I'm sure you're familiar with. A.C. Hobbs had nothing to lose by taking up this challenge. He didn't have to give up anything if he failed to pick the lock. In the end, Bramah was still hesitant to give Hobbs his reward. Bramah could afford to offer a challenge like that because they made an excellent product. In my opinion, Mul-t-Lock's product does not hold the same position in this day and age as Bramah's did back then.

[locfoc]

See I boast it because it is a great product. consistent. I opened one last night after posting, it took me maybe a bit over an hour. Got stuck at the 5 degree point for some time because of the interactive pin. I might make a special tool to slide in and under the second chamber just to push that interior pin up really high, like it's supposed to be, because it's a pain in the ass to do with regular picks.

btw I just used my regular peterson pickset.

But for me to pick a lock in 1 hour is retarded and completely in efficient.

I want to see somebody pick one with these new pins in a reasonable amount of time.

It is amazing to see people get upset instead of just posting a real good video on youtube.

[locfoc]

obviously this thread isn't ment for this forum so I'm going to stop talking about it. Now that I think about it, it should be moved to the private or deleted.

[JK_the_CJer]

See I boast it because it is a great product. consistent. I opened one last night after posting, it took me maybe a bit over an hour. Got stuck at the 5 degree point for some time because of the interactive pin. I might make a special tool to slide in and under the second chamber just to push that interior pin up really high, like it's supposed to be, because it's a pain in the donkey to do with regular picks.

btw I just used my regular peterson pickset.

But for me to pick a lock in 1 hour is retarded and completely in efficient.

I want to see somebody pick one with these new pins in a reasonable amount of time.

It is amazing to see people get upset instead of just posting a real good video on youtube.

Good job! Hopefully you'll keep going and start killing these. I'll be working on them as well and I hope we'll be able to collaborate a bit and share findings. I also agree that this one has sort of drifted off topic and may be better-situated in advanced.

[locfoc]

yeah I sort of changed my thoughts about this in the end, after putting some serious work behind it.

[locfoc]

I might pick up a dimple pickset to see if I can do this quicker, and maybe the mul-t-lock pick. just to try.

[locfoc]

Would you mind posting a few images of these D pins? They sound familiar but I just can't place it and am not quite familiar with Mul-t-Lock terminology.

sure

Posted the image for you there.

[awol70]

If somebody can pick the lock in front of me I'd let them keep it.

i will keep practicing =)
thanks for the plethora of info on MTL...i am learning quite a bit from you..

[mr_chris79]

And the thing you said about me believing in this product, as of right now I do. And that's the way it should be because I sell this product to my customers. So that means I'm a very good shop owner because I'm honest to my customers, and I believe in what I say. And I do hunt like a crazy man on forums to see what people are doing with high security products, and I haven't seen somebody pick a mul-t-lock then dump the pins out on video. i have seen marc do that with a medeco to prove it was a legit bump with 4 arx pins. so why hasn't it been done with a mul-t-lock if people claim it's possible? The proof isn't there behind their claims so you can see why I'm in disbelief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm_0dXCUzIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVk3Zz8dgCY

This guy is an expert on mtl cylinders...... Great job opening one of your own too by the way, have you got your time down any mate?

[bhamoggy]

further to my efforts posted at the beginning i'm now picking 06 classic profiles with ease.

having picked 3 pins i progressed up to all 5 chambers.
to aid my progress, i cut out a section of the cylinder so i could identify the shear line as the photo here shows.



i proceeded to pick it in under 10 minutes.
with further practice, using the cut down model, i was picking the lock in about 3 mins.

i'm now picking normal 06 profile locks now

a guess next stop is to buy a toolor arm to fit my existing one that will do interactive and 05 profile so if anyone can help, let me know.

many thanks all

[Eyes_Only]

Where can you get that tool the guy was using in the video to hold the top pins (he called it bottom pins) in place as he pulled out the plug and the thing he used to pop out the C-clip?

[raimundo]

So you say bumping the lock with side pins will push out the pins every time? Can't you concieve of cutting down the side of the key so that it won't do that? deeper dimples on the side and elongate them.