WIper inserts/ street bristles?

[bumpin88]

I was just curious if wiper inserts needed any special treatment after making picks/tension wrenches out of? For instance tempering are the like. They look like stainless so that may be a stupid question I just asked.

Next with street bristles should they be flattened first, or can you just file the end into the shape you want? handles are going on them so I don't know if it matters.
My reason is I just figured their round shape might make them want to bend. Also would these picks need treated. I think i have read somewhere on here that states they need tempered, but I guess I want to be sure. the bristles are going in to picks for lever locks or is there a better material for that?

[barbarian]

Wiper inserts are great as they are. Very hard to heat treat Stainless anyway. But no need to try.

I think most guys use the bristles as they are. If you don't turn them color while grinding, they should be fine. The ones I have seen are sort of rectangular shape anyway, so they don't need flattened.

As for lever lock tools, I'm unsure.

[phippoD]

in regards to wiper inserts ive made a set out of them and they are toataly fine if not stronger than other picks a similar size.

[raimundo]

Tempering is not necessary with either the bristles or the stiffeners,
Sanding is absolutely necessary with both.
sweeper bristles are flat steel strips, if you have round plastic bristles let us know how thats working for you.

[vap0r]

I only use wiper inserts and hacksaw blades to make picks. I have found that all that is needed is to dip the metal in a cup of cold water if it gets hot as you are shaping it with a bench grinder. Just don't let it overheat, and you should be fine.

[TheSkyer]

If you have access to street bristles (virgin once) than I can highly recommend those. Been making my own tools with them and they are great! Big plus is that you only need to take away very little material so it can be done with a dremel instead of a bench grinder giving you more options on how to manipulate the steel. Click the link in my signature for a photo of some of the tools I made

[bumpin88]

heres a bogata i finished earlier today. well i tried to make a bogata. let me know what you think, critisism welcome.
Also this is not the best picture, the light was bad and the camera is low res. so bare with me.

http://www.geocities.com/clafleur8716/100_0480.JPG

[TheSkyer]

Your pick looks good, very nicely done.

I myself usually make 3 curves instead of 2. Also your curves are at somewhat of an angle, this is no problem since it will still work but a "regular" bogota rake is symmetric.

Here's a little picture, the second pick form the top is my homemade bogota rake, hope it helps

http://havoccrew.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dsc00360z2.jpg?w=512&h=384

Don't discard your pick, I think it will make a great addition to any pick set.

[bumpin88]

skyer those are some nice picks. thanks for the advice. when i made it i was didn't have a picture infront of me. so i guessed how it should look. and all i had available was a triangle file and a six inch hand file, i wish i had a good round, or half round. well this pick was literally done by hand next investment will be a small table mounted vice

[adrenalynn]

I recommend a dremel tool even before your vice (YMMV, IMHO, etc.) I can't imagine going through life without a few Dremel tools.

Avoid the rechargables. Plug it into the wall. Woot.

[TheSkyer]

Agreed, dremel is must (i actually bought a dremel and bench vise just to be able to make lock picks, was a good 60 dollar investment).

[bumpin88]

yeah a dremel would take alot less time. i just like doing things with hand tools. though a bench grinder would be a must for hacksaw blades, maybe a small drill for certain things, but besides that good ol' files can do anything a dremel can. i guess it up to personal preference.

[adrenalynn]

I'm going to have to disagree with the "a file can do anything a dremel can do". My Dremel Plunge Router attachment disagrees. My felt wheels disagree. My diamond cutter disagrees. My tungston cutter disagrees. My sanders disagree. My cut-off wheels disagree.

And even assuming it could, you'd have to add the statement "given an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of files..."

If a file could do anything a rotory tool could do, you wouldn't see hundreds of attachments and accessories for them.

[vap0r]

I'm going to have to disagree with the "a file can do anything a dremel can do". My Dremel Plunge Router attachment disagrees. My felt wheels disagree. My diamond cutter disagrees. My tungston cutter disagrees. My sanders disagree. My cut-off wheels disagree.

And even assuming it could, you'd have to add the statement "given an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of files..."

If a file could do anything a rotory tool could do, you wouldn't see hundreds of attachments and accessories for them.

Your talking about using one motor to run 'many tools and accessories' so your point in completely invalid.

Your arguing a whole machine shop is required to do all of that, and it really isn't. A set of files, and a hammer can make just about anything metal.

Same goes for wood. A chisel, hand saw, and plane can be used to make anything out of wood that you can make with an entire woodworking shop. It's no different than metal working, you don't NEED anything but a stone/rock to make a pick set out of some old hacksaw blades.

[unlisted]

I'm going to have to disagree with the "a file can do anything a dremel can do". My Dremel Plunge Router attachment disagrees. My felt wheels disagree. My diamond cutter disagrees. My tungston cutter disagrees. My sanders disagree. My cut-off wheels disagree.

And even assuming it could, you'd have to add the statement "given an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of files..."

If a file could do anything a rotory tool could do, you wouldn't see hundreds of attachments and accessories for them.

Your talking about using one motor to run 'many tools and accessories' so your point in completely invalid.

Your arguing a whole machine shop is required to do all of that, and it really isn't. A set of files, and a hammer can make just about anything metal.

Same goes for wood. A chisel, hand saw, and plane can be used to make anything out of wood that you can make with an entire woodworking shop. It's no different than metal working, you don't NEED anything but a stone/rock to make a pick set out of some old hacksaw blades.

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No, you don't NEED to, but for precision, and to be able to create something easier, quicker and with less energy output, you DO need more than a stone/rock for tools.

I'd really like you see you "pound" out some custom tools.. with only a rock.


Lets try to get back on the topic at hand now. (building picks, etc) We have all had our fun.