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Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby datagram » 5 May 2009 12:52

SnowyBoy wrote:To test that, just try and extract a cylinder from one after just removing the key..... it won't work! You have to set each slider dead centre in the key way in order to extract.


Actually, I've found using the key to be great because it centers all the sliders as it is removed. If the lock is mounted this won't work because of gravity, of course, but works like a charm once you take the lock out and hold it so the sliders are parallel to the ground. This is also better because you'll want to extract the plug at this angle so the sliders don't spill out.

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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby SnowyBoy » 6 May 2009 13:57

datagram wrote:
SnowyBoy wrote:To test that, just try and extract a cylinder from one after just removing the key..... it won't work! You have to set each slider dead centre in the key way in order to extract.


Actually, I've found using the key to be great because it centers all the sliders as it is removed. If the lock is mounted this won't work because of gravity, of course, but works like a charm once you take the lock out and hold it so the sliders are parallel to the ground. This is also better because you'll want to extract the plug at this angle so the sliders don't spill out.

dg


The fact you can get the sliders lined up with your key is purely a coincidence. I've had a few of these now, and none of mine came out with that method.
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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby mh » 6 May 2009 16:38

SnowyBoy wrote:The fact you can get the sliders lined up with your key is purely a coincidence. I've had a few of these now, and none of mine came out with that method.


Strange, because the tip of the key should move each slider exactly to the middle of the plug while the key is pulled out.

Cheers,
mh
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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby SnowyBoy » 6 May 2009 19:27

mh wrote:
SnowyBoy wrote:The fact you can get the sliders lined up with your key is purely a coincidence. I've had a few of these now, and none of mine came out with that method.


Strange, because the tip of the key should move each slider exactly to the middle of the plug while the key is pulled out.

Cheers,
mh


I must have tried at least 30 times to extract the key with the cylinder on its side with many methods (including other keys) and there was always a couple of sliders still catching the grooves. I had to manually centre the sliders with a pick before I could pull it out.

If there is even a hint of a slider protruding from the cylinder into the case, it will snag it up.

Maybe I was unlucky, who knows :p
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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby NKT » 26 May 2009 2:34

This one ran and ran, didn't it?

Yes, I stand corrected, the lock I drilled out was a Dual, not a 3KS.

I went on the EVVA training course a few days after that course, so I'll not make the same mistake again!
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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby Scott_93 » 30 May 2009 20:34

NKT wrote:This one ran and ran, didn't it?

Yes, I stand corrected, the lock I drilled out was a Dual, not a 3KS.

I went on the EVVA training course a few days after that course, so I'll not make the same mistake again!


There's an EVVA training course? :O
Cool, love to do that one :D

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Re: Clarification on EVVA 3KS functioning..

Postby tomasfuk » 19 Apr 2015 2:51

SnowyBoy wrote:...Maybe I was unlucky, who knows :p

Maybe you pull the key out too fast.
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