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PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Tool recommendations, information on your favorite automatic and/or mechanical lockpicking devices for those with less skills, or looking to make their own.

PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby yono » 7 May 2009 8:38

i made this out of curiousity, to try if i can make one, and will it work? and yes it does work.the solenoid came from an old Betamax. I made a power supply of 12 volts DC 3Amp max. the pick stroke can be controlled by a N.O. switch. now i am figuring out for its handle. please see pic.
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby TheSkyer » 7 May 2009 8:43

Looks like it would work, just give it a shot ;)
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby michaelspaz » 9 May 2009 0:47

NICE DIY! I'm not extremely familiar with electronics so I was wondering why you would use a DC current with the solenoid? Isn't the back and forth motion in a solenoid caused by an induced magnetic field using AC current as the wire tries to reduce the flux? Maybe this is a stupid question...
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby cryptocat » 9 May 2009 1:37

You're probably thinking of a motor like what's inside a hair clipper - it can take advantage of AC to move the armature. You can achieve much the same effect if you use a spring to return the components to their original position, rather than the opposite polarity of electricity. Sorry... sleepy and not very coherent.
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby yono » 9 May 2009 4:58

for my knowledge DC is more stable and available especially when you are out in the field. you can get direct power source from a car battery. you can prevent the unneccessary motion of the solenoid by installing a diode across the solenoid two terminals, and bear in mind install the diode opposite to your power supply polarity.
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby michaelspaz » 11 May 2009 0:24

cryptocat wrote:You're probably thinking of a motor like what's inside a hair clipper - it can take advantage of AC to move the armature. You can achieve much the same effect if you use a spring to return the components to their original position, rather than the opposite polarity of electricity. Sorry... sleepy and not very coherent.


Yeah, I was thinking more along those lines, you're right Cyrptocat. So what is the function of the solenoid in this if not to cause displacement of the pick?
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby cryptocat » 11 May 2009 0:38

The solenoid causes movement in one direction, but you'll need something to cause the mechanism to recycle. That could either be reverse polarity (AC supply) or an interruption of current followed by spring force (DC supply).

A trivial example is to connect a normally-closed relay to itself: power is applied, coil energizes, opens relay, kills power, spring pulls contacts closed, power is available again... this happens fairly quickly; the last time I did such a thing, I ended up building a 40Hz buzzer.
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby michaelspaz » 13 May 2009 0:56

Interesting, I would assume this would be analogous to a charged capacitor acting like an open circuit? What sort of lifetime would you expect for the springs with them being in continuous motion at 40Hz?
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby maintenanceguy » 13 May 2009 5:30

A micro switch located where it would be opened when the solenoid plunger was retracted could drop power to the solenoid.

The plunger would retract, the switch would open causing the plunger to pop out again, the plunger would retract, and on and on and on. Weight of plunger and force of spring would control the cycle time.

And to answer michaelspaz's question about the spring, as long as the spring isn't being flexed beyond it's fatigue limit, it should last forever without any damage. Nothing lasts forever but moving at 40Hz won't damage it.
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Re: PICKGUN-. a solenoid type

Postby adrenalynn » 13 May 2009 19:25

I use small DC solenoids in my robotics hobby all the time. I haven't seen any fail in millions of cycles. I don't think I've run them _that_ fast, but certainly half that.
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