picking a evva 3ks

[scrimshady]

i have a friend who is thinking of installing this to his doors, what are they like and can they be picked?
thanks all

[raimundo]

Tell your friend good choice, no one is going to pick that lock. Ive never had one in my hands but Ive learned their reputation reading about them here. I don't remember anyone claiming to have picked it. I don't even remember mention of a dedicated tool. How paranoid is your friend, does he know that no security is absolute? Is he expecting some superexpert lockpickers to be comeing over when hes gone out?

[jamesphilhulk2]

the 3KS is a very good lock, only a few people have close to picking it

[datagram]

<_<

Still a great lock, though. It can be picked, as you see above, but it is pretty tough (especially with false notch sliders). Remember that everything "can be picked"; how long it takes is what matters.

dg

[Baloopaloop]

I've picked it with 9 of the 12 sliders but something in me is doubting that that picture had all the sliders inserted. Plus there are no false sidebar notches, which leads me even more to believe that it was not fully "slidered" I don't know what to call it, it can't be fully pinned can it?

[Baloopaloop]

"but with the door locked tight, and a rock in the living room overseeing a window that was once a single pane."

Get a nice lock and some idiot will break the window. Criminals don't pick locks

[mh]

Still a great lock, though. It can be picked, as you see above, but it is pretty tough (especially with false notch sliders). Remember that everything "can be picked"; how long it takes is what matters.

dg

Cool!
Did you pick it with or without gravity pulling the sliders down?
Cheers,
mh

[datagram]

Cool!
Did you pick it with or without gravity pulling the sliders down?
Cheers,
mh

It was picked normally; upright and with gravity.

For above posters, it has all 12 sliders. Anything below 10 is actually pretty easy, especially if the sliders in the far back don't have real high bittings. The hardest I've found are the sliders in the middle that rest at the bottom, because they're a pain in the ass to LEAVE at the bottom as you're manuevering about. Is the 3ks considered "advanced" ? If so, I'll shut up now

dg

[raimundo]

HMMnn.... So it can be picked, the key sorts out the sliders by depth of cut, I think, could a pick be 3 or four pieces of say .050" feeler gauge with each layer addressing different fingerpins/sliders? picktips with a stepped slope so that the pin riding down the slope is given an exact bitting height to trip on on its way down. I mean, if there are four depts for the fingerpin/sliders, these could be just a minor stop on the slope of the picktip. Like the slope of a stepped pyramid,

The three layers could then come through a sleeve that holds them together, and on exiting the sleev, the three layers could have rolled ends to help control the particular slider, with all the ends staggered as they come out of the sleeve so that there is a keyblade length of movement for each slider independently.

Well I can picture it. right now I can. could lose that vision later I guess.

[raimundo]

OK that .050" in my post is clearly a mistake, it should have been .005"

[huxleypig]

There's a youtube vid of some guy picking one. They can be picked with normal tools and there's also a dedicated tool for them too but God knows how much that'd cost to get ur hands on!

Your basic thief wouldn't know where to start with this lock though, I think having one on ur door will mean noone's getting in via picking!

[Solomon]

There's a youtube vid of some guy picking one. They can be picked with normal tools and there's also a dedicated tool for them too but God knows how much that'd cost to get ur hands on!

Yep, it was ImSchatten360... very impressive video, he's picked a lot of cool stuff. Falle has made a decoder for them, there's a video of it in LSS+. A very sophisticated piece of kit, although from what I've seen it only works on euro cylinders and it needs clamped onto the face of the cylinder, which can't always be done. They also have more than one profile, so in terms of using a decoder it'd be a very expensive effort getting in.

They can be picked with hand tools although it's extremely difficult, and even with the full range of decoder bits and pieces it wouldn't guarantee entry within 2 minutes like most of their decoders... so even the men in black are gonna be looking for another way in long before they tackle one of these cylinders. Very good lock, although don't make the locks your main focus - you need to think about the overall security.

After all, no point having kickass locks if the back of the house is easily accessible with no lighting and lots of cover. Nomatter what lock you have, it can be broken into with enough time... bad guys don't care about doing damage, so remember that. By all means install good locks, but also consider the door hardware, cos if it can be kicked open then the locks don't matter one bit. You need to make it tough to get in, aswell as making it as risky as possible for someone to be hanging around there too long. If they can't get in quickly and they don't have appropriate cover to settle down and take their time, they'll move along to another target. Hope this helps