$25 Abloy Protec Padlock

[datagram]

disc detainer pick. I know everyone here says I wont be able to pick it with that pick, but the lock is a disc detainer and if Im going to try to pick a lock that hasnt been picked yet i probably ought to use a pick meant for that style of lock.

It's not even that it doesn't work due to the security measures, but all of those ready-to-go disc detainer picks do not even fit in Abloy style locks. And even if you manage to get it to fit without modifying it heavily, you'll be rotating several discs at once. Like squelchtone said, those picks are meant for the knock-off brands, not the real thing.

dg

[Dak]

couldnt one assume that some slide modifications could be made so that it would fit and only turn one disc at a time? I would think that would be more then possible.

[Dak]

disc detainer pick. I know everyone here says I wont be able to pick it with that pick, but the lock is a disc detainer and if Im going to try to pick a lock that hasnt been picked yet i probably ought to use a pick meant for that style of lock.

It has been...opened, in several different ways.

I would to read some findings proving that, or videos of the acutaly opening of the protec.

[Dak]

I just realized the protec is probably not open for discussion amongst we common lockfolk. Gaww.... looks like its time to apply for the advanced section again.

[Jaakko]

If the Protec was at all remotely pickable using that tool, Jaakko and or Barry would have already done it.

Thanks Squelchy

Dak, I'm from the home of Abloy, I have a few Protec locks and I'm a pick tool designer/maker/prototyper and all i can say is that those picks you have been thinking of for the Abloy Protec will not work. I'm sure they can be modified to fit the keyway, but it doesn't do you any good, as the lock is still the Holy Grail of lockpickers because of the DBS.

Have fun though and don't stop trying, but remember my words

[Dak]

*clint Eastwood look*

you challengin me boy?

lol The lock should get here today, and the pick sometime within next week. I really dont expect to pick it as much as I expect to possible to help the community who will pick it.

[Dak]

It just arrived today in the mail with two keys and the little code card. I know I cant really talk about it, but this lock just looks gruesome.

Am I allowed to ask a question about the feature of the key?

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It just arrived today in the mail with two keys and the little code card. I know I cant really talk about it, but <censored> this lock just looks gruesome.

Am I allowed to ask a question about the feature of the key?

You can ask anything about the lock except for methods of picking, impressioning, decoding, etc. Questions about features or technology are fine.

dg

[Dak]

It just arrived today in the mail with two keys and the little code card. I know I cant really talk about it, but <censored> this lock just looks gruesome.

Am I allowed to ask a question about the feature of the key?

You can ask anything about the lock except for methods of picking, impressioning, decoding, etc. Questions about features or technology are fine.

dg

there are 3 dimples on the key right where the key cuts start. I dont think they are used at all in my lock, but what are they for. Is it the Cliq thing that abloy does?

[sfi72]

Cliq is an electronic authentication feature that can be added to certain locks, nothing to do with the dimples. Those dimples are used for the "disk controller system" I believe, the thing that makes the lock really hard to pick.

[Dak]

really. hm. They barely enter the lock at all. Looking at the lock before entering the key I dont see anything that they might even come into contact with.

[Squelchtone]

really. hm. They barely enter the lock at all. Looking at the lock before entering the key I dont see anything that they might even come into contact with.

The dimples interact with the copper colored half moon shaped discs just behind the drill/profile plate that you see when you look at the bottom of the padlock. (btw, on padlocks only 1 dimple on each side of your key is checked against, the other 2 dimples are for door lock cylinders which have little ball bearings instead of the half moon shape discs.) It's what de-activates the DBS to allow the discs to start turning. It's what tells DBS that the key has been inserted all the way, and the DBS (Disc Blocking System) can unblock and let you turn the key to see if the cuts on it actually match up the discs inside and if it is the correct key from that profile/system, then your lock will turn 180 degrees, the sidebars will drop in and you can pull the shackle open.

Have you read the Han Fey Abloy papers? They're a great reference on learning how these locks work, and will relieve all of your doubts about these locks and how pickable or unpickable they are.

All of his awesome articles:
http://www.hanfeylocktechnologies.com/articles.php

The one on Abloy Protec:
http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

Squelchtone

[mh]

really. hm. They barely enter the lock at all. Looking at the lock before entering the key I dont see anything that they might even come into contact with.

As stated above, they operate the Disk Controller (which is also what I think makes the lock even more hard to pick than the DBS).
Maybe you should really try to find some cutaway pictures of the mechanism, e.g. read Han Fey's article (Abloy part 3).
In the padlock case, two of the four dimples that are at the same depth (there can be 6 in total on normal keys) operate two half-moon-shaped elements at the entrance of the keyway.

Try to insert the key only half way and then try to turn. Check out why it doesn't turn. That's the Disk Controller.

Cheers
mh

[mh]

Ahh - squelchtone beat me to it

[Dak]

very interesting. I will read those articles. Hopefully I will get approved for the advanced section so I can talk about how to open them.