WOW!! YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS NOTE ON THE KWICKSET WEBSITE

[Madhatta3]

Wow...I was going to go on a "But with the smartkey" blah blah blah talk, but holy CRAP this is a 5 & 1/2 year old thread you have somehow managed to dig up.

Is that a record?

Hmmm valid point if I was worried about exuming graves. I was just trying to add a few cents to a common wealth of knowledge. Archeologist bring up new stuff everyday thats funded by taxpayers for something that really has no impact on our lives or the perpetuality of our race. That is my rebuttal good sir! =)

[Schuyler]

Hahaha, well, I can appreciate archaeology. With that in mind, let me give you the one sentence version of the smartkey rant:

Kwikset used to suck, but with the advent of their smartkey system they are a harder pick than anything else you'll find on the shelves of Home Depot.

[Madhatta3]

Ill have to look into that. A new hobby, at the wrong time to pick up a hobby. Im in the army and im broke lol. As far as the smartkey kwickset, thanks you have given me a goal for now. All I need now is some picks to start workin my way up =). For the record I hate archeology =) just not my bag.

[mongo]

Wow...I was going to go on a "But with the smartkey" blah blah blah talk, but holy CRAP this is a 5 & 1/2 year old thread you have somehow managed to dig up.

Is that a record?

Hmmm valid point if I was worried about exuming graves. I was just trying to add a few cents to a common wealth of knowledge. Archeologist bring up new stuff everyday thats funded by taxpayers for something that really has no impact on our lives or the perpetuality of our race. That is my rebuttal good sir! =)

I am confused, your an Archeoligist in the Army. What Unit

[FarmerFreak]

Hahaha, well, I can appreciate archaeology. With that in mind, let me give you the one sentence version of the smartkey rant:

Kwikset used to suck, but with the advent of their smartkey system they are a harder pick than anything else you'll find on the shelves of Home Depot.

I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist the smartkey counter rant:

The Kwikset smartkey is the only lock on the shelves of Home Depot that can be opened while leaving less forensics evidence than a normal lock being bumped. In fact so little evidence that even a forensics scientist would be hard fought to know someone else had opened the lock.

But lets keep this in the open forums shall we. Again I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

[Schuyler]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist the smartkey counter rant:

The Kwikset smartkey is the only lock on the shelves of Home Depot that can be opened while leaving less forensics evidence than a normal lock being bumped. In fact so little evidence that even a forensics scientist would be hard fought to know someone else had opened the lock.

But lets keep this in the open forums shall we. Again I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

I can count on my big tension wrench the number of kwiksets that have undergone forensic testing in the field. If you are a consumer, are you seriously taking into consideration the forensic reprecussions of your purchase? I swear, sometimes it seems like you kwikset haters will glom onto anything you can to villianize this lock. I'm not saying it's the be-all & end-all, but it is a lot better than the lock on the shelf next to it, especially at it's price.

[FarmerFreak]

I said I was sorry. The thought of having one forensically tested is kinda funny though. I'm not really a hater of the smartkey. But I do find it funny when a buisness puts one on one of their "secure" security rooms.

[Schuyler]

I said I was sorry. The thought of having one forensically tested is kinda funny though. I'm not really a hater of the smartkey. But I do find it funny when a buisness puts one on one of their "secure" security rooms.

Heh, well, yeah, agreed on both counts.

Sorry for the overreaction, I am just impatient for the kwikset stigma to fade so more consumer level manufacturers will take more risks like they did. I tend to spaz out about stuff like this a bit.

[sfi72]

I said I was sorry. The thought of having one forensically tested is kinda funny though. I'm not really a hater of the smartkey. But I do find it funny when a buisness puts one on one of their "secure" security rooms.

I wonder what kwikset has on their front door....

[Madhatta3]

Wow...I was going to go on a "But with the smartkey" blah blah blah talk, but holy CRAP this is a 5 & 1/2 year old thread you have somehow managed to dig up.

Is that a record?

Hmmm valid point if I was worried about exuming graves. I was just trying to add a few cents to a common wealth of knowledge. Archeologist bring up new stuff everyday thats funded by taxpayers for something that really has no impact on our lives or the perpetuality of our race. That is my rebuttal good sir! =)

I am confused, your an Archeoligist in the Army. What Unit

Actually it was a refrence point to justify the situation in saying. Old subjects have a need for new approaches and information along with new ones. I dont think archeology has any impact at all on war or helping soldiers. Either way sadly im in the 35th.

[globallockytoo]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist the smartkey counter rant:

The Kwikset smartkey is the only lock on the shelves of Home Depot that can be opened while leaving less forensics evidence than a normal lock being bumped. In fact so little evidence that even a forensics scientist would be hard fought to know someone else had opened the lock.

But lets keep this in the open forums shall we. Again I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.

I can count on my big tension wrench the number of kwiksets that have undergone forensic testing in the field. If you are a consumer, are you seriously taking into consideration the forensic reprecussions of your purchase? I swear, sometimes it seems like you kwikset haters will glom onto anything you can to villianize this lock. I'm not saying it's the be-all & end-all, but it is a <censored> lot better than the lock on the shelf next to it, especially at it's price.

In some ways I agree with Schuyler here. I like that Kwikset continue to produce garbage. But the smart lock will greatly speed up locksmiths rekeying jobs and make money quicker than other locks that require disassembly to recode.

Keep it up Kwikset.....chaching chaching $$$.

[Schuyler]

Now, don't reference agreement with me then bash the product

[globallockytoo]

[Tyler J. Thomas]

Kwikset still makes garbage. A known bypass of the Smart Key involves nothing more than a screw driver and some turning force. I'll let you use your imagination as to how it works. Then there are the try-out keys which have been shown to open any factory combinated lock.

Kwikset still makes crap and locksmiths love to see them because it's up sell potential.

"Hey, let me show you why what you have on your door is total crap and why I would suggest this brand."

[Schuyler]

Kwikset still makes garbage. A known bypass of the Smart Key involves nothing more than a screw driver and some turning force.

Which was addressed by the company by chaging alloys, and while you can still successfully carry out a destructive attack on the lock, you can also carry out a destructive attack on a window. Or other locks for that matter...

Then there are the try-out keys which have been shown to open any factory combinated lock.

I'd love to see more about this, reference? As it may be inappropriate for the open forums, you're welcome to PM it to me. It could change my opinion, and I would be curious if the R&D team at Kwikset has been directly informed.

Kwikset still makes crap and locksmiths love to see them because it's up sell potential.

"Hey, let me show you why what you have on your door is total crap and why I would suggest this brand."

If you are upselling to a genuinely higher security lock, more power to you, but the point remains that they are the only (and cheapest) lock on the shelf at home depot that is genuinely bump proof. We're at a point that it is senseless for this not to be true of the rest. Until the rest of the consumer-level field catches up to that, I won't be calling them crap anytime soon. At the moment, they are vanguards, and the most effective NDE attack I have seen against them is more complex and takes more time than a bump attack. Your try out keys could change my opinion on the whole matter, but so long as the current R&D team at BDHHI are allowed to work, I've no doubt they'll adapt the next generation to mitigate new attacks.