lockwood MT5

[lunchb0x]

This would mainly be for the Aussie lockies, today Assa Abloy was in town to shout as free food and beer and who would say no to this right, all we had to do was sit down and listen to them talk about their "new" product, Lockwood MT5 which is Mul-t-lock MT5 but with a couple of little differences.

To start they are going to release 2 levels of the MT5, first being MT5 and the second being MT5+, the first will be for places like hardware stores with Lockwood locks being already keyed with a MT5 lock and keys, the lock will not be master keyed or have any of the sliders in it, also the keyway will be on the left of the plug. The lock will come with a magnetic strip card which holds the key cut info for the lock which the key machine for MT5 can read and then cut a key.

The MT5+ will have the profile on the right of the plug and also have the sliders, now they didn' really go into how the locks can be master keyed other than the Australian versions of this will not have master pins to make it easier for us, apparently that will be to maany parts in the lock for us to work with.

They also showed us the new machine that has been made for cutting the keys and for the low price of $25,000 you can one too!! but what I do like about the machine is that it can do all the cuts and ingraving all in one go.

They did have some really nie cut aways ofthe lock but for some reason didn't let me have one and I don't think the boss will be taking on MT5 as we are now getting Abloy which is costing him a little bit more, as in a crap load more than what MT5 will cost.

Thats all I can remember about it for now about Mul-t-lock...

[datagram]

It seems to be the same thing as the MT5/MT5+ sold elsewhere. From your description I don't see any major differences, including the distinction between MT5 and MT5+. ASSA-Abloy are probably just branding it Lockwood so that it is familiar to Australian customers. See the Mul-T-Lock paper at http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/articles.php for more information.

In the US the key machine goes for around $6k USD (7.2k AUD), but it does have the distinction of being able to cut keys for all generations of Mul-T-Lock telescoping pin-tumblers. Sounds like you guys are getting gouged!

dg

[globallockytoo]

Mul-t-lock have been in Australia for about 20 years already. Perhaps you remember the old Franklins Supermarket chain? They used MTL throughout. It was installed by a company in Thomastown Victoria. MTL head office was in Bayswater before Assa-Abloy took over the international arm.

I personally dont think MTL will measure up well enough to compete with Bilock in Australia. Bilock is so well entrenched there. + the cost is more than Bilock is to set up (in Aust) and significantly more difficult to pin as opposed to Bilock.

It is less secure (picking/impressioning) and I dont believe that the general marketplace would favor another overseas product to an Austrlian produce product like Bilock. (my 2c)

[lunchb0x]

datagram: Thanks for the link, I was looking for something like that the other night so I could get a good understanding of it before the sales reps show it to us, and as for getting gouged with the price for the key machine we get used to it, the two major Locksmiths suppies like to over charge us on everything, for us to get a genuine cutter for the Quattrocode can cost us over $500 or you can go to one of the tool shops that sell milling bits and get the cutter for under $200.... thats what we get for being on the other side of the world.

globallockytoo: Being in Darwin as I'm sure you will know we don't get all the nice fancy locks like down south because the 2 big locksmiths companys are happy buying everything through lockwood and no I don't remember Franklins, I must not be old enough..

I do agree with you about there not being a market for it especially when they are asking so much for key machines and I think one of the reps said that our buy price on keys was around $12 so at that cost to even get started I don't see iit getting big over here, the rep did say that the hardware places like Bunnings are interested in it but I can see that making more hassels for customers trying to get locks rekeyed or even fixed when they start playing up.

[datagram]

I can't speak on the Bilock, though I know you guys in Australia really like it, but I'm guessing the MT5+ has much better master keying capabilities. Aside from that, I'm guessing the practical expectations for pick resistance are about the same, as well as for impressioning and decoding.

dg

[Tyler J. Thomas]

I can't speak on the Bilock, though I know you guys in Australia really like it, but I'm guessing the MT5+ has much better master keying capabilities.

Oh absolutely, heh.

I was talking to a MTL rep a few weeks back at the ALOA show and he was telling me about one of the first deployments of the MT5+ platform being the San Jose State campus. I think he said they needed over two million available change keys (not sure how many were used right off the bat).

[greyman]

It would be a sad day indeed if Multilock managed, through force of advertising, to gain the upper hand in Australia over the Australian Lock Company. I would not like to see that happen for reasons that I won't mention on this forum.