You get what you pay for

[WolfSpring]

So I paid 4.95 for a Orbin Security Padlock from Italy, figured lets see what this is about. It took me less then 5 secs with a diamond pick and raking first try, more like a lever lock then a pin tumbler lol. I'm still a begginer, so this will be perfect for my "feel good" lock when I'm having issues SPP a 5200 and need reassurance. But it was from Italy so it's good for my collection.


Pins


Keys


Box "High Security"


Base

[SnowyBoy]

How exactly does it compare to a lever lock? Especially as you raked it? Doesn't make sense :p


As for the lock, I've got a china special here like yours and the cylinder literally has about 1mm of play in and out, and side to side. It is near on impossible to pick because the tolerances are so wide. Raking with featherlite tension is the easiest way to defeat them. SPP is totally out of the question.

[raimundo]

snowy, have you tried to put a shim into the tolerances in that lock, some locks can still be front end shimmed, either they do not have a flange to keep shims out or they can have a antishim flange that is too low and sloppy tolerances that will allow a thin shim such as the ones in the rectangular plastic capsule that comes on some cd's when you buy them.

Yeah, the reference to lever locks sorta lost me too, but I dont' t know the OPs experience with lever locks so I just don't know how to understand the reference.

[WolfSpring]

i hit the back piin with the diamond and it turns, maybe i used teh wrong word, lever lock is like a handcuff lock right? you just turn and hit the lever to realease it? It opens like that if my diamond were thicker I could probably open it just with a diamond pick.

[SnowyBoy]

i hit the back piin with the diamond and it turns, maybe i used teh wrong word, lever lock is like a handcuff lock right? you just turn and hit the lever to realease it? It opens like that if my diamond were thicker I could probably open it just with a diamond pick.

That's a bypass, not picking.

[WolfSpring]

nah i feel the back pin go up and it moves easy, not passing the pin i push it up and twist and it opens easy

[globallockytoo]

nah i feel the back pin go up and it moves easy, not passing the pin i push it up and twist and it opens easy

I think snowyboy is right. If you had picked it, the plug (barrel) would turn. It sounds like you reached inside and pulled the latch back. That's a bypass.

[SnowyBoy]

snowy, have you tried to put a shim into the tolerances in that lock, some locks can still be front end shimmed, either they do not have a flange to keep shims out or they can have a antishim flange that is too low and sloppy tolerances that will allow a thin shim such as the ones in the rectangular plastic capsule that comes on some cd's when you buy them.

Yeah, the reference to lever locks sorta lost me too, but I dont' t know the OPs experience with lever locks so I just don't know how to understand the reference.

Sorry Rai, Missed your post first time round.

I've not tried anything apart from picking. It is a terrible lock & I don't have much passion for bad design so it's just sitting on the shelf.

I might have a go at shimming it. I made a shim out of a feeler gauge to bypass my police cuffs.

[WolfSpring]

I'm hoping his is just the part where the forum trolls and regular contributors hasle the newb to ensure he's doing his homework and not just trying to be cool.

Bypas is to bypass the plug and "pry" the locking mechanism from my unerstanding. If this understanding is correct and my pick is only in he depth of the key and has twice that to go I cannot be bypassing. I feel the back pin go up and then the plug moves. I may have used the wrong wording with calling it like a lever lock. What I mean is the plug spins so freely it's like when you release the lever on a pair of handcuffs. It is one pin, the back one, no others are even being touched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab5-A2djR44

Not the best vid butit shows the depth of the pick.

[raimundo]

I can see that happening if the shaft of the pick is lifting other pins and then tilts lower under them as you work that last pin, if the lock is of bad tolerances, this could easily be picking, so do i have to read the thread and see if the plug is turning,? if its picked the plug is turning, if the plug does not turn, something else is happening.

I have wondered about overlifting and whether this could be done with a straight probe,
some day, Im gonna make a straight probe that fits inside a tube like a bic biro pen, and with a coil spring compressed and held by a triggered pawl, the thing could be put in a lock, then lift all pins, apply light tension and then pull the trigger and let the coil spring rip the probe out so fast that all the pins are dropping virtually simultaneously into the tensioned plug.

This tool at the very least should be able to get a false set on spools.