Deamed to be unpickable, unbumpable, primus locks

[sushisushisush]

Alrighty then, i am curious about primus locks?

I have been looking at them and i have seen mixed reviews.

Some say thr schlage primus lock is unpickable and unbumpable

Then i see some sites that say it has been done

I saw a youtube video with a small group of people bumping the primus lock

What should i get from this? Can people pick the schlage primus? Can people bump the schlage primus?

If so what would you use to pick a schlage primus?

If so what would you use to bump a schlage primus?


From what i have seen, i do not think it is possible, but i would like to know for sure.

[LocksmithArmy]

it is not un pickable, it is just very hard... it is not un bumpable if your bump has the correct sidebar bitting

[sushisushisush]

So if it is unbumpable and unpickable what do you use then?

What tools do you use for picking it?
Obviously a tension wrench, but what else?


What tools do you use for bumping it?
What type of bump key would you use?



Other thing to note: are all sidebars of primuses the same for the keys? If not, then how could you bump it, and what would type of key would you use?

[lock2006]

I saw a youtube video with a small group of people bumping the primus lock

From what i have seen, i do not think it is possible, but i would like to know for sure.

If you saw a youtube video people bumping the primus lock


why you still saying,i do not thinkk it is possible?

[sushisushisush]

Well i am not sure if i should believe it


Did they use the real primus lock? or was if fixed?

Youtube videos have been known to be sometimes inconsistant. So i saw it, but i am not sure if i should believe it

[sushisushisush]

So if i should assume the video regarding bumping a primus locked work. What bump key did they use??

[unlisted]

One with the correct sidebar cutting. (so, IMHO, not a "real" bumpkey)

I think thats enough about this..?

[Tyler J. Thomas]

Yeah. You're not going to bump any locks aside from the one you buy with the correct sidebar configuration. You're not going to be able to take one blank and bump the thousands of Primuses out there, in use or not.

[LocksmithArmy]

just like bumping any other lock with a sidebar... you wont get em the same way as with locks without sidebars...

thats what security is all about, limiting possible ways of entry

[Greggor]

Well i am not sure if i should believe it


Did they use the real primus lock? or was if fixed?

Youtube videos have been known to be sometimes inconsistant. So i saw it, but i am not sure if i should believe it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH7ekPB68OM

I assume this is the video you're referring to? That's Deviant Ollam. He's one of the most credible names I can come up with in regards to lockpicking credentials. Also, he wouldn't fix the lock and post a video of himself bumping it, since that wouldn't be any fun.

Yes, it is rare for a bump attack to work on a Primus. No, it is not impossible.

It's certainly not impossible to pick a Primus... It's not trivially easy, either. But if you have someone like Barry Wells picking a Medeco, then it's not hard to imagine people picking Primus locks.

[sushisushisush]

First off, this is to everyone: Thank you so much for the feedback and info. I have been enlightened a great deal.


So if i purchase a schlage primus, how could a potential theive bump my lock.

I guess i have to live with the fact that anyone can pick a lock, but in regards to bumping then. Since i would have the only copies of the keys, a person cannot make a bump key for my paticular lock right?, since they do not have my key they would not be able to bump my lock? Am i right or am i missing something?/ Or is there a way they can bump my lock?


Once again thank you for everyones participation.

[LocksmithArmy]

you have pretty much got it... if they knew the bitting of your side bar they could make a bump... if not than you will only be suseptible to destructive entry and picking, which is very difficult to do... so enjoy

[Squelchtone]

First off, this is to everyone: Thank you so much for the feedback and info. I have been enlightened a great deal.


So if i purchase a schlage primus, how could a potential theive bump my lock.

I guess i have to live with the fact that anyone can pick a lock, but in regards to bumping then. Since i would have the only copies of the keys, a person cannot make a bump key for my paticular lock right?, since they do not have my key they would not be able to bump my lock? Am i right or am i missing something?/ Or is there a way they can bump my lock?


Once again thank you for everyones participation.

Your average thief is not going to have the knowledge or means to make a bump key for a Schlage Primus lock. And unless you live in Beverly Hills and have a Monet hanging in your living room, I doubt you're much of a target other than your perception of yourself and how you or your property appear to others as well as how paranoid you are. A lot of us here are very paranoid and security conscious. For me having a Medeco on my door ensures that I will come home and I know that my lock wasn't drilled out in less than a minute and that my lock wasnt picked in the amount of time a bad guy would enjoy crouching in front of my door without the possibility of my neighbors noticing him. Same goes for Primus, no one is going to buy a Primus bump key on the internet and break in your house in 25 seconds while you're at work. Nor will they drill that lock or pick it. An expert would take minutes and I mean 5 to 60 minutes to pick that lock and most thieves are not experts, they prefer bricks and crowbars. And I doubt a professional crew of jewel thieves is watching you from an unmarked van across the street.

The only way, by the way that someone could bump your Primus is to A. know you have Primus, B. know a LOT about picking and bumping and about the idea of how Primus asnd key control works, and C. go to a local locksmith in your area that you got your Primus at, and buy a lock with keys, which god willing would have the same sidebar milling as your keys, then cut their key down to a bump key, and practice for a couple weeks on their lock to be able to bump that lock consistently within 5 or less quick and accurate bumps. Otherwise, neighbors will notice someone bumping a lock on a quiet suburban morning or afternoon. All of the above work requires considerable effort, and honestly breaking a window or using a Sawzall to cut around the lock and just push the door in is a lot easier and cheaper.

Layer your security, install some cameras, a monitored alarm system, motion sensor lights outside, install decent locks, 4 inch hinge screws instead of the stock 1 inch brass screws, get a dog that likes to bark, and get friendly with neighbors so you can watch each others places when you're away.

btw, they dont need your key or to know what your keys is cut like to be able to bump your lock, they just need a black or a key from the same Primus system which from the factory all have the same sidebar milling, but each lock the locksmith sells to different customers has different cuts to work with the pins in THEIR lock, but yeah, if you looked at two customer's keys, the sidebar squiggle milling would be the same if they bought it from the same locksmith, unless that locksmith had several Primus levels he sold, let's say one to residential customers and one only to commercial customers such as office buildings, schools, police departments, etc.

Squelchtone

[sushisushisush]

sqelchtone your answer was what i have been looking for.

Thank you for your help


Yea i am a bit paranoid, and i live in an average middle class home, so i should not be too worried. I would go crazy if i lived in a wealthy neighborhood, i would be terrified that someone would come in.

But the odds on someone breaking into a home that will not have anything of great value is not gonna happen.

Thank you you have put my mind to rest