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by Finzz » 26 Oct 2009 21:58
NanoDuke wrote:What's covering the top of the springs? Is there a separate metal plate that you can see? You might have to pop it open to feed the pins back in.
Appears to be one whole solid thing connected to the casing for the plug. I don't see any seams. Should I try using a dremel or something then? awol70 wrote:ok, do you have a shim? you will need a peice of thin strong steel,like a VERY thin feeler gauge,or you can cut open one of those security feature stickers from the inside of a CD cover...cut the plastic to recover the metal strips. insert key. shim the last pin from the back of the keyway with the wider of the two strips. viola. we must have posted at exactly the same time back there,to answer your other query... oh and you cant edit...preview. =)
Not sure what you mean, using your method, I should even be using the pin that fell out?
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by Finzz » 26 Oct 2009 22:01
EDIT SORRY:
MY ERROR, the keypin that fell out was at the FRONT of the lock, it wasn't confusion, I just looked at it too quick.
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by Finzz » 26 Oct 2009 23:04
awol70 wrote:ok, do you have a shim? you will need a peice of thin strong steel,like a VERY thin feeler gauge,or you can cut open one of those security feature stickers from the inside of a CD cover...cut the plastic to recover the metal strips. insert key. shim the last pin from the back of the keyway with the wider of the two strips. viola. we must have posted at exactly the same time back there,to answer your other query... oh and you cant edit...preview. =)
Are you talking about one of these? 
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by tjweaver84 » 27 Oct 2009 4:25
Yeah thats what you use. Just cut it open and it should have a couple little strips in it that work for shimming.
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by Finzz » 27 Oct 2009 15:52
Can shimming work with any amount of pins as long as you have the correct key?
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by LocksmithArmy » 27 Oct 2009 15:59
as long as the shim is long enough...
I saw a key with 14 bittings... Idk where youd get a shim for that lol
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by unlisted » 27 Oct 2009 16:05
LocksmithArmy wrote: I saw a key with 14 bittings...  details on the lock!
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by Finzz » 27 Oct 2009 16:17
I can't seem to get it, I have two keys, could I cut the back off one of the keys and insert it into the lock from the back and then shim from the front?
Ugh I hate bein a noob.
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by Finzz » 27 Oct 2009 16:19
LocksmithArmy wrote:as long as the shim is long enough...
I saw a key with 14 bittings... Idk where youd get a shim for that lol
Huh? Idk what u mean, the lock has 5 pins if that's what you are confused about.
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by LocksmithArmy » 27 Oct 2009 16:35
unlisted wrote:LocksmithArmy wrote: I saw a key with 14 bittings...  details on the lock!
I saw it on ebay a few days ago... it was for a lockwood but he did not say anything else about the lock. the picture was cool Finzz wrote:I can't seem to get it, I have two keys, could I cut the back off one of the keys and insert it into the lock from the back and then shim from the front?
Ugh I hate bein a noob.
this works best with blanks, are you using blank keys or are your keys cut... and the shims from the security things in CD cases will work on a 5 pin... and you cannot shim from the front because there is a lip on the front of the plug that covers the shear line... You can drill the lip off... but thats kinda DE so ill stop there
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by NanoDuke » 27 Oct 2009 17:36
Can you take a photo of the flat section of the lock, where the springs would be enclosed?
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by JACKthePICKER » 27 Oct 2009 19:59
looks like a copy of a american lock if it is try picking it like a american
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by Finzz » 27 Oct 2009 21:37
LocksmithArmy wrote:unlisted wrote:LocksmithArmy wrote: I saw a key with 14 bittings...  details on the lock!
I saw it on ebay a few days ago... it was for a lockwood but he did not say anything else about the lock. the picture was cool Finzz wrote:I can't seem to get it, I have two keys, could I cut the back off one of the keys and insert it into the lock from the back and then shim from the front?
Ugh I hate bein a noob.
this works best with blanks, are you using blank keys or are your keys cut... and the shims from the security things in CD cases will work on a 5 pin... and you cannot shim from the front because there is a lip on the front of the plug that covers the shear line... You can drill the lip off... but thats kinda DE so ill stop there
No I don't have a blank, but I work at a store that does key copies so maybe I could get one, but i have no idea what keyway it uses. If anyone could let me know that would be awesome. Also could you link me to a good guide on learning to shim? I've only done it by the actual locking mechanism on the lock, never with the pins. I'll try googling for one tho. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NanoDuke wrote:Can you take a photo of the flat section of the lock, where the springs would be enclosed?
Here ya go: as you can see I'm pretty sure theres no easy way to get at the springs.  
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by Finzz » 27 Oct 2009 21:39
Sorry the pics turned out kinda bad, I only have a shoddy 1.3meg cell phone camera to use right now.
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by FarmerFreak » 29 Oct 2009 7:55
Ok, so the lock has been turned a 180 degrees and a key pin fell out. What you should do now is check to make sure that only one key pin fell out. You do this by looking into the cylinder and see how many pins have a rounded bottom or a flat bottom. The ones that are rounder are correct key pins, the ones that are flat on the bottom are the driver pins. You will need to lift the driver pins up over the shear line. If only one of the key pins isn't in the lock and you are willing to sacrifice a key you can do this nifty little trick. Disclaimer: this was done in about a minute, nothing is to scale.  Once you know for certain which pin chamber is missing the key pin. You cut that cut/space off of the key, put the key into the lock at it's correct position. And usually a small paperclip can be inserted through the hole in the bottom of the lock slip past the broaching and lift the driver pin up and over the shear line. After turning the lock about 2-4 degrees or so you will need to take the paper clip back out of the lock to turn it farther. If a paperclip won't go in past the broaching then you can try to bend the paper clip into a hook pick type of shape and work on overlifting the pin from the front of the lock through the keyway. Either way make sure that you know for certain which pin(s) are missing before getting too far.(cutting up the key)
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