PACLOCK

[PACLOCK]

Frankly thanks to Master buying American, our family’s business has the opportunity to pick up where the American brand is now leaving off. We’re continually improving our products while theirs… well, I just leave it up to you to finish the sentence.

The 20% is the concession PACLOCK made to win the contract. Any less and you’d still be buying Master’s product from Mexico at 20% more than you’re getting the PACLOCK.

I don’t intend to come off as complacent about improving the security on these military locks. We’re quite the opposite. We will continue to talk through our options to improve the security of the lock cylinder ~ we’re already improving our manufacturing efficiencies and will look at redirecting some of those cost savings to a security improvement.

Any chance you might have one of the locks that has gotten dirty and is hard to operate? If you do, let’s e-mail each other and I’d like to get one or two of them back for us to dissect. We’ll ship you out replacements and pick up the shipping each way. My e-mail is gwaugh@paclock.com.

Yes, we used to be Federal Lock… but my brother-in-law and I have essentially reinvented the company since we changed the name five years ago.

Thanks for the feedback on the DGs… and please e-mail me if you’d be willing to send me some of the gunked up locks.

[LocksmithArmy]

I do have a couple

Yours and the DGs... Ill email you in a few minutes

[Solomon]

Everything from securing computer sheds or electrical transformers to fenerator boxes... pretty much everything.

As long as that "everything" doesn't include the armoury it's all good. To be fair, they're designed for general use and they *are* more secure than warded padlocks... but for generators and computer access, they should be commercial grade or at least somewhat pick resistant. Getting clogged up so easily is certainly an issue aswell; don't they have optional dust covers?

[WolfSpring]

As far as my picking experience, the PACLOCK has the American style keyway and is a little wider and easier to pick then the DG, the DG takes an angle and a little less room to work with, snap picking is the best way to open a DG for me. I havn't been able to rake a PACLOCK but I can snap pick it in seconds and SPP in about 20 secs. As far as the force to remove one it's wierd that that's what the standard is. Most locks I find are cut because it is simple and anyone can pick up a set of bolt cutters and get a lock off. I found that the small brass Master lock(not the 140) is the hardest to cut because you can't get a bite on the shackle. So a lower profile shackle would be nice for the anti-cutting factor, but the realization is not many people people go around picking Connex padlocks and anything high security is either a cypher lock or a S&G serious lock.

[LocksmithArmy]

no lol the armory has an S&G 833 on there... the only one ive seen out here... the armor gave me permission to pick it though lol... kinda an odd thing to tell someone

I didnt even ask ether, he just came up and said hey can you pick this...

[GottFoo]

no lol the armory has an S&G 833 on there... the only one ive seen out here... the armor gave me permission to pick it though lol... kinda an odd thing to tell someone

I didnt even ask ether, he just came up and said hey can you pick this...

Could you?

[LocksmithArmy]

no lol, i told him I have some medecos in my room and I cannot pick them. so I dont need to mess with that one.

but when I am picking my medecos I will go pick that one lol

[Squelchtone]

no lol, i told him I have some medecos in my room and I cannot pick them. so I dont need to mess with that one.

but when I am picking my medecos I will go pick that one lol

If you enjoy a week in the brig, then go ahead, but otherwise I'd stay away from a lock securing live ammo, rifles, etc, someone walking by may find it a reasonable act to shoot you on the spot or at the very least give you a very hard time about it. Saying the armorer told me I could, won't go very far.

Unless of course you meant picking it in your hand, but then if that's the case there won't be a lock securing the door. Picking those while in a NAPEC hasp would be a chore, there's not much room for picks, just enough room for the keys to go under and up.

stay safe,
Squelchtone

[LocksmithArmy]

Oh calm down there squelchtone

the armor was offering to let me borrow the lock. he said he had another large lock to put on there and he would let me open the 833...

but i did decline, because its over my skill level...

we did discuss getting supply to order me some 833s though... so hopefully with his support i can convince supply to order me a case or em

but we are way off topic...

to keep everyone up to date on this thread

I will be sending mr PACLOCK 2 of his own padlocks that are dirty and jamming up and 2 DGs that have the same problem... and they can use these as test subjects and try to fix the problem...

[Arrowofdarkness]

I'd like to try my hang at picking some. Is there a supplier I can buy some from online?

Also I'd at the very least add security pins in your current model and tout it as the high security version.

- Steven

[rx6006]

I would be interested to see a quality testing reply from Paclock after the company receives the locks that Locksmith Army is sending. It's uncommon nowadays to obtain instant feedback by a company head on anything mass produced.

[mh]

I will be sending mr PACLOCK 2 of his own padlocks

and I thought it's Mrs Paclock...

(see http://www.paclock.com/Government_Padlocks.htm / "a woman-owned small business")

[rx6006]

I will be sending mr PACLOCK 2 of his own padlocks

and I thought it's Mrs Paclock...

(see http://www.paclock.com/Government_Padlocks.htm / "a woman-owned small business")

Smart business model...it makes going out for government bid projects quite a bit easier.

[PACLOCK]

Believe it or not, at the government contractor level we've found our status as a small business, woman owned business, or even a business that has employed disabled workers (more than 10% of our workers are) doesn't really help with the large government contracts. We do it (hire disabled workers, etc.) because it just plain feels right. We hope that we can continue to do so.

The woman owned/operated part wasn't a business model decision either. We're family owned and, like anything attached to a family, there is a lot of history. Patty (mother-in-law who handles our finances and who has been with the business the longest) is the majority owner. It will likely stay that way until she's ready to retire.

As for the improvements to our locks, we're running some preliminary field tests right now on improved cylinders... to help with bumping and picking. Hopefully those test will meet our expectations and we'll expand our tests from there.

This forum is likely a good spot for us to leverage members' expertise in testing our improvements. Our hope is to be noticeably better than Master ~ while maintaining affordability and our U.S.-made end product status. That's hard to do when Master's are a Mexican end product.

Thanks for your comments ~

Greg

[UtahRootBeer]

I know im pretty new at this but i thought i would comment. I think it is awesome that a lock company is on here listening to the locksport comunity and asking for input. i just read the medco article in NDE magazine and look how much effort it took to get them to listen. I want to give PACLOCK praise for being open to this unconventional source. Im sure if they put our sugestions to use they will have a better more secure lock in the future.