maser lock 5

[antaean3000]

I have a master padlock with number 5 security rating.

I have been trying to pick it and when i get each pin in place they just wont stay and pop right back up no matter how far i try to push them down.

I am right in guessing that you have to put enough tention using the tention tool to stop the pins from popping back up?

no matter how hard i try iv maanged to get 2 of the pins to stay down and one slight movement and pop they come back up again.

[thelockpickkid]

That is not a security rating that is the model, #5. The objection to picking is not to force all the pins to the top, you have to set the driver pins on the shear line, if you lifting all the pins up and expecting them to stay there, your not going to get this lock to open. Put a tension wrench in there and take a diamond, put it in the back and rake it in and out, this lock will pop right open in your hand.

[antaean3000]

That is not a security rating that is the model, #5. The objection to picking is not to force all the pins to the top, you have to set the driver pins on the shear line, if you lifting all the pins up and expecting them to stay there, your not going to get this lock to open. Put a tension wrench in there and take a diamond, put it in the back and rake it in and out, this lock will pop right open in your hand.

Ok thanks. I feel kinda stupid. I was trying to pick it with a bobby pin.

[thelockpickkid]

That is not a security rating that is the model, #5. The objection to picking is not to force all the pins to the top, you have to set the driver pins on the shear line, if you lifting all the pins up and expecting them to stay there, your not going to get this lock to open. Put a tension wrench in there and take a diamond, put it in the back and rake it in and out, this lock will pop right open in your hand.

Ok thanks. I feel kinda stupid. I was trying to pick it with a bobby pin.

Don't feel stupid, that's part of learning. If you really want to quit, just quit, But I recommend you get some decent picks, you will have alot better luck and fun!

[Squelchtone]

Get rid of the bobby pins, safety pins, and paper clips. That's the kind of stuff you see in the movies. You may get lucky here and there, but it's not a great way to learn picking as a hobby.

HERE is a great PDF for beginners called the Locksport International Guide to Lockpicking.

Enjoy,
Squelchtone

[Solomon]

Sounds to me like you were oversetting pins and they kept popping back when you lightened up on the tension. Even if you're wiggling your pick around with no direction though, the lock should still open, so your problem is definately the tension you're applying. I'm guessing you've been experimenting with different amounts of tension and haven't managed to get the right amount, so that means you either have a really awkward lock or that you're not completely sure what you're supposed to be feeling for.

As a newbie, it's more than likely gonna be the second one. We've all been there... when I first started picking, it was a case of "apply tension and lift pins until lock is picked". I had no idea how a lock actually worked or what I was doing; all I was interested in was getting locks open and how to do it. I didn't do too well since I got easily frustrated and was focusing too much on getting the lock open, and not enough on what the lock was telling me. If this is you, all you need to do is bone up on your theory and concentrate a little more. Pure luck only gets you so far, and it's not really a good feeling when you pop a lock that way anyway.

Like kid says, these locks rake open easy as pie so the issue here isn't what you're doing. It's understanding what you're doing - and why. You can't have technique without understanding. Before picking any lock, you should understand how it works with the key and why picking is possible, ie. tolerance errors and the binding defect. If you don't have a grasp of that stuff, your chances of picking anything are gonna be pretty low... so if you're in that boat right now, go back to JK's page and read it till it sticks.

Keep yourself busy until those picks arrive, or at least make some half decent picks. The stuff you have right now is no good for learning with.

[antaean3000]

Iv watched verious dvds on lock picking i know how locks work and the pins etc
i think the tentsion and tools i am using are the issue.

My main goal is to get a lock open even if its just using a rake at first but then i will take more time to get to know the other tools.

I must have brought several locks and i keep looking at new ones.
The new yale lock looks cool they say it is recomended by the police as its of the best standard and they say its pick resistant and drill proof and its the type of lock someone would look at read the above and think "this lock is for me because of what it says on the packet" then i bet it would be pickable.

I feel like a kid waiting for christmas because i ordered some picking tools and a Squire Leopard padlock and i just cant wait for them to show up. I do not know if the gomo set will fit it but any day now i will have more funds from my old camera sale to get more tools.

I like to think i would be able to learn and i would like to think that i will be able to master opening padlocks even if its a cheap £10 lock like the master 5 i have or the £8 Squire lock i have coming soon.

[Solomon]

Iv watched verious dvds on lock picking i know how locks work and the pins etc
i think the tentsion and tools i am using are the issue.

The new yale lock looks cool they say it is recomended by the police as its of the best standard and they say its pick resistant and drill proof and its the type of lock someone would look at read the above and think "this lock is for me because of what it says on the packet" then i bet it would be pickable.

Yeah, the tools you're using definately aren't helping. Once you get some proper picks, you'll find it much easier.

Which yale is it? I have 2 yale cylinders which are kitemarked and have the police seal on the packaging. They're good locks overall, as for pick resistance they're a bit tricky but nothing special. As a newbie they'd give you a run for your money though, that's for sure.

[UEDan]

Get rid of the bobby pins, safety pins, and paper clips. That's the kind of stuff you see in the movies. You may get lucky here and there, but it's not a great way to learn picking as a hobby.

HERE is a great PDF for beginners called the Locksport International Guide to Lockpicking.

Enjoy,
Squelchtone

NO! Keep the boddy pin! I have a Schlage lock that I cannot for the life of me open with a proper tension wrench. Can pick it easy as pie with a bobby pin tension wrench.

[thelockpickkid]

Get rid of the bobby pins, safety pins, and paper clips. That's the kind of stuff you see in the movies. You may get lucky here and there, but it's not a great way to learn picking as a hobby.

HERE is a great PDF for beginners called the Locksport International Guide to Lockpicking.

Enjoy,
Squelchtone

NO! Keep the boddy pin! I have a Schlage lock that I cannot for the life of me open with a proper tension wrench. Can pick it easy as pie with a bobby pin tension wrench.

You don't pick many lock then do you!

[antaean3000]

Iv watched verious dvds on lock picking i know how locks work and the pins etc
i think the tentsion and tools i am using are the issue.

The new yale lock looks cool they say it is recomended by the police as its of the best standard and they say its pick resistant and drill proof and its the type of lock someone would look at read the above and think "this lock is for me because of what it says on the packet" then i bet it would be pickable.

Yeah, the tools you're using definately aren't helping. Once you get some proper picks, you'll find it much easier.

Which yale is it? I have 2 yale cylinders which are kitemarked and have the police seal on the packaging. They're good locks overall, as for pick resistance they're a bit tricky but nothing special. As a newbie they'd give you a run for your money though, that's for sure.

This one i believe

Yale Replacement Cylinder Brass Effect

EAN: 5010609032833

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9276873&fh_view_size=20&fh_start_index=20&fh_sort_order=1&fh_sort_by=prdISSort&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=yale+lock&fh_eds=%C3%9F&fh_refview=search&ts=1258634068175&isSearch=true

[Solomon]

This one i believe

Yale Replacement Cylinder Brass Effect

EAN: 5010609032833

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9276873&fh_view_size=20&fh_start_index=20&fh_sort_order=1&fh_sort_by=prdISSort&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=yale+lock&fh_eds=%C3%9F&fh_refview=search&ts=1258634068175&isSearch=true

The manufacturing code for that says it's an X5 cylinder, so it'll be 6 pin with 3 security drivers. They're like spools but with an extra bit in the middle. The lock pictured is one of the first generation X5 cylinders; the newer ones are barrel type and have the kitemark on them. I wouldn't recommend one for a beginner to pick, as the tolerances are quite high and they're very easy to overset. The euro profile version (the X6) has the same pins, but they seem to be easier to pick for some reason. One of those will still give you nightmares in your early stages though.

You need to walk before you can run, so get all those padlocks out of the way first. You should be able to blow through all of those locks in under 5 minutes without much trouble, so until you get to the point where they're really easy and you're actually bored with them, don't get too confident and jump ahead. If you move too fast, you'll get frustrated... popping open a master by luck a few times, for example, isn't a good time to go find something more difficult. If you want an intermediate level cylinder with spools in it though, try an Iseo F5. They're decently made locks and give really good feedback.

[antaean3000]

This one i believe

Yale Replacement Cylinder Brass Effect

EAN: 5010609032833

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9276873&fh_view_size=20&fh_start_index=20&fh_sort_order=1&fh_sort_by=prdISSort&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=yale+lock&fh_eds=%C3%9F&fh_refview=search&ts=1258634068175&isSearch=true

The manufacturing code for that says it's an X5 cylinder, so it'll be 6 pin with 3 security drivers. They're like spools but with an extra bit in the middle. The lock pictured is one of the first generation X5 cylinders; the newer ones are barrel type and have the kitemark on them. I wouldn't recommend one for a beginner to pick, as the tolerances are quite high and they're very easy to overset. The euro profile version (the X6) has the same pins, but they seem to be easier to pick for some reason. One of those will still give you nightmares in your early stages though.

You need to walk before you can run, so get all those padlocks out of the way first. You should be able to blow through all of those locks in under 5 minutes without much trouble, so until you get to the point where they're really easy and you're actually bored with them, don't get too confident and jump ahead. If you move too fast, you'll get frustrated... popping open a master by luck a few times, for example, isn't a good time to go find something more difficult. If you want an intermediate level cylinder with spools in it though, try an Iseo F5. They're decently made locks and give really good feedback.

I would want to try and pick the yale yet. But i would like to some day.

I got a yale just like it on our door and it much be a good 10 years old so i doubt it has anything fancy like that newer yale has.

[Solomon]

I would want to try and pick the yale yet. But i would like to some day.

I got a yale just like it on our door and it much be a good 10 years old so i doubt it has anything fancy like that newer yale has.

If it's the original cylinder which came with a yale Y77 nightlatch then it'll be a standard 5 pin with no security pins in it. They're easy to pick, and you get a really nice *clunk* every time a pin sets, but I'd advise you to stay away from the locks you use on your doors until you're a bit more experienced. Even then, we advise against picking locks which are in use unless you're in an actual lockout situation. You can pick up one of those old yales on ebay for about 3 quid, have a look and see what you can find.