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Ultimate Lock

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Ultimate Lock

Postby pjzstones » 15 Dec 2009 20:28

has anyone picked or owned an ultimate lock. there seems to be a lot of hype about this lock. i've just recently heard of it. it's suppose to be bump proof, pick proof, and kick proof. i saw a video on youtube and pop-a-lock's top guys supposedly weren't able to pick it or even drill it. i really doubt that it's pick proof so if you know anything about it let me know.
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby LocksmithArmy » 15 Dec 2009 20:46

lol

totally not pickproof or bump proof... its no better than a kwikset...

the hardware is pretty bad ass. you would break the door before you break the lock. its quite reinforced but as for bumping and picking its nothing special...

it has a deadlatch feature that makes it so the lock wont turn... but that will only be engaged from the inside(as in when ur home) and for picking with the lock uninstalled its worthless...

the deadlatch can be bypassed but I wont discuss how.

if your looking into security... get it for the hardware... replace the cylinder with somthing better and have a steel door... lol

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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby pjzstones » 15 Dec 2009 20:57

lol that's what i was pretty much thinking in my head. i almost think that the video i saw with the pop-a-lock guys is a publicity deal or maybe they really do just suck that bad. do you know if they have any sort of security pins?
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby unlisted » 15 Dec 2009 20:59

I am not impressed @ all with the 3000 series (looks like two old school type of locks combined IMHO, with a really weak point @ the actual strike plate)

The 4000 looks interesting.

But I fully agree. Too much "talk" about it being the next best thing. Get some sent to certain members of LP101, and we will do some real unbiased product testing for them.

I can guarantee I could drill that lock... :twisted:
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby LocksmithArmy » 15 Dec 2009 21:04

no security pins bro...

the video is kinda fuged lol...

it was opened in various ways by the popalock guys... but they edited it out... they had 3 hours of footage i think it was(or some really large number lol)

il PM you a nice conversation on it... its a bit to read... but funny
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby thelockpickkid » 15 Dec 2009 21:06

Actually there is a member here that has totally revealed what this lock is all about. He got into it in no time at all. Kokomolock. Himself and some others have actually had conversations with there front man, he denied that it was bypassed until the youtube video came out. Now, the front man has been fired, himself and the others at the Ultimate Lock company were very unprofessional about the whole episode. I would never recommend anyone using this lock, thats my opinion.
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby unlisted » 15 Dec 2009 21:11

and the 4000 series looks like one of those old style "fox locks" or NYPD door locks (or whatever those things were called, I don't live there)

For the cost of their 4000 series, I'd personally prefer to put a potentlock 900 Series with 5 locking points on my door. (and still have some $$ left over)
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby thelockpickkid » 15 Dec 2009 21:17

This lock is no different than a Yale nightlatch, or a Master nightlatch. Don't anybody be fooled by the marketing on this lock. These people are very dishonest in there marketing and the lock didn't take much longer to get into compared to a normal kwikset. The video of the pop-a-lock guys is priceless. I wasn't surprised at all by there inablility, but they really ham it up when they are on film. After it was bypassed by a member in the locksport community, the company still denied the attack was possible, even after seeing the unedited video of the easy attack on the lock, they still discounted it as ever really happening. Anybody with a few moments to study the workings of this lock, and the ability to pick a simple pin tumbler with sloppy tolerances and NO security pins, could potentially surcumvent this locks security in probably 10 minutes or less.
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby pjzstones » 15 Dec 2009 21:30

wow this is halarious. i just couldn't believe the hype for this thing. it's been on dozens of news channels and talk shows and it's been given away to thousands of people to 'boost their security'. just goes to prove that if it sound's too good to be true then it probably is.
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby Solomon » 15 Dec 2009 23:54

They said it was pick, bump AND drill proof. In actuality, it is none of these... yes, it's very hard to drill, but there is a super secret bypass technique that only people who briefly study the locks overall mechanism will ever find out about. :roll:

There are 3 spools in it, so it does take an intermediate level of skill to pick, but that's not even necessary as it can still be bumped. They didn't bother with key protection. It's a 6 pin lock with a schlage SC4 keyway, so bump keys can be bought online... and these keys are very common, so they can be made by hand easily aswell. So, if it's got a standard keyway and only 3 spool pins, surely they have some kind of new technology in there to prevent picking and bumping. Well, no. Unless you consider marketing a new concept, anyway. The actual security of the lock relies on two factors:

1. The deadlocking button inside the door must be engaged.

2. Offset screws for added strength against brute force.

Let's look at that deadlocking button first. Of course this can only protect against picking/bumping while you're inside the house; you click the button and go to bed and nobody can get in through the door. Not even if they have a copy of your key, which is great! Except that every other night latch on the market has the same feature... they're raving about this magic button like it's new technology, which is quite frankly an insult to the consumers intelligence.

So far, we've come to the conclusion that the ultimate lock offers no more pick/bump resistance than any other standard lock. But it's strong as hell, right? Surely that's still a good selling point to fall back on. Nobody wants to have their door kicked in, after all. On that note, the ultimate lock is all about home invasion, so it is designed to keep people out while you're still at home. After all, burglars pry windows open or break them so it doesn't need to be crazy high security... still, they could have at least done something to make it harder to bump. They put a lot of effort into making it hard to drill, so there really is no excuse, then again they failed to make it properly drill proof so what do you expect?

For a lock which is solely designed to keep at bay those with home invasion on the agenda, there is still a problem... these locks are expensive. Nobody wants to buy 2 ultimate locks at $100 a pop, and I can see most people putting one of these nice big fancy and shiny locks on the front door, not the back, which is the preferred entry point for burglars.

Oh right, they want to protect you from the door-kicking gun-waving dudes who barge through the front door. I forgot. Of course, if this bad door kickin' mofo sees the ultimate lock he is gonna hang his head in defeat and go home. How about no. Only the thickest of thickos would just walk up to a door and kick their way in. Someone could be upstairs with a shotgun at arms reach, for crying out loud. When you hear about this stuff here, they knock the door and wait for the owner to open it a little before barging their way inside, or they wait for the person to come home and stick them up as they get out of the car (or when they go to open the front door).

So with this in mind, the ultimate lock is only good if you are at home, the deadlocking button is engaged, and there is a home invader outside who is so stupid and crazy he just walks up to the door and tries to kick it open. If he has half a brain and knocks the door so you open it a little for him, the strength of the ultimate lock is removed entirely. Essentially, they've made a lock which prevents completely stupid people with a death wish from kicking their way in. That's a pretty small demographic if you ask me. Is this really worth $100 per door?
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby CharlieCroker » 9 Jan 2010 1:33

Interesting. Is there a link for the pop-a-lock video by any chance?
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby globallockytoo » 9 Jan 2010 3:11

CharlieCroker wrote:Interesting. Is there a link for the pop-a-lock video by any chance?



I had posted the link here a few days ago, but it has since been pulled from YT. Apparently Rob Reynolds, the GM of Pop-A-Lock got wind of the video doing the rounds of forums.

It is my understanding that there was an agreement b/w PAL and Ultimate Lock about the video in question, hence why it was pulled.

PAL, not seen in a very good light!

Suffice to say, an edited version is due out soon, showing PAL in a better light!
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby CharlieCroker » 9 Jan 2010 5:21

Ahh too bad. I did catch a couple of youtube videos on the Ultimate lock...mostly stating that its bump and pick proof. Although I could have sworn I saw one a few days ago where a locksmith picked the lock in under a minute then pull the whole lock apart...did anyone else catch that one or was I dreaming it? haha
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby pjzstones » 9 Jan 2010 10:39

i've seen kokomolock pick it and even bypass the security latch on yt.
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Re: Ultimate Lock

Postby ElAbogado » 9 Jan 2010 13:24

LocksmithArmy wrote:lol

totally not pickproof or bump proof... its no better than a kwikset...

the hardware is pretty bad donkey. you would break the door before you break the lock. its quite reinforced but as for bumping and picking its nothing special...

it has a deadlatch feature that makes it so the lock wont turn... but that will only be engaged from the inside(as in when ur home) and for picking with the lock uninstalled its worthless...

the deadlatch can be bypassed but I wont discuss how.

if your looking into security... get it for the hardware... replace the cylinder with somthing better and have a steel door... lol

hope that helped


Putting all the hype in the proper perspective, I think that this lock IS much better than a Kwikset or Schlage standard deadbolt. Stop and think about what installing a tubular deadlock does to the door:

1. It removes 1" of wood from the thickness of a 1 3/8 or 1 3/4 inch thick door. Leaving 3/16" to 3/8" of the wood at its thinnest point to protect the door from being kicked in. Its relatively easy to kick in a door equipped like this.

2. The strike on most deadbolt locks goes into the soft pine trim, not the stud. Longer screws may help somewhat, but this is not an ideal situation.

Outside of the USA, tubular deadlocks are not as popular as they are here. In Latin America they almost don't exist; and for good reasons (as stated above).

250 pounds of kick in force vs. 8,000 is quite difference. Even if you don't believe those numbers, I believe that the manner in which the load force of the lock is spread across the entire width of the door is substantially better in design.

As for the strike portion, long screws into the stud from the jamb side coupled with a lag bolt into the stud from the rear has to be superior.

Addressing the issue of the lockout function, that's a good idea. Is it more important to prevent unauthorized entry when one is at home or away? Clearly from a human safety point of view it is while one is at home. Score extra points for that feature.

The cylinder construction is a relatively minor point from an overall safety point of view. Few people outside of this forum pick locks, certainly not a substantial number of burglars/home invasion thugs. Furthermore, the cylinder may be upgraded to whatever you want (probably-I'm not certain of this).

All in all, it is a major improvement over standard locks and a step in the right direction. CISA has made barricade bars for years and this is a variation on that theme.
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