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Double flipper lever lock idea

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Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby Josh K » 1 Jan 2010 1:47

A standard lever lock uses one side of the key to lift levers into a "clear" position allowing the bolt to slide. What if we changed that to a two position bolt. The key is double sided, and the levers have sequential "clear" positions. You turn the key 90, bolt moves, another 180, the bolt moves again.

Let me know if I'm not making any sense. :)

I'm trying to think of that hardest lock to pick or bypass. I think that some sort of lever lock would be the hardest lock to open without a key. Disk locks would be another, but a complex (10+ lever) lever lock would be the most challenging I think.
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby mh » 1 Jan 2010 4:02

Are you familiar with double bitted keys?

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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby Josh K » 1 Jan 2010 13:45

mh wrote:Are you familiar with double bitted keys?

Cheers
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I guess not?
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby mh » 1 Jan 2010 15:47

Double bitted lever locks are quite similar to what you described, have a look at these pictures:
http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&so ... artschloss

They are standard on (at least German) safes.
For nice pictures of some other special safe locks, see also http://blog.tresoroeffnung.de/

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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby Josh K » 1 Jan 2010 16:10

I guess it's already been thought of. :lol:
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby mcm757207 » 1 Jan 2010 18:20

Doesn't mean it's not a great idea :)
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby Josh K » 1 Jan 2010 21:54

mcm151201 wrote:Doesn't mean it's not a great idea :)


I'm trying to think of locks that are just plain hard to manipulate. I was doing some reading on payphone locks and noticed this article (http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/wecolock/) and this picture:

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The ratcheting mechanism used to lock the levers into place also intrigued me. Almost like permanently locking serrated pins. If over lifted you have to release tension and start all over.
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby NanoDuke » 2 Jan 2010 7:11

Josh, next time don't put in the IMG tags when you're using a picture link from other people's websites ;)


That's a very interesting locking system. I'd kill to have one of those in my hands :P
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby Josh K » 2 Jan 2010 10:43

NanoDuke wrote:Josh, next time don't put in the IMG tags when you're using a picture link from other people's websites ;)


That's a very interesting locking system. I'd kill to have one of those in my hands :P


I was planning on replacing it with one I had uploaded to my photobucket account, but I can't seem to find the edit button. :oops:
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Re: Double flipper lever lock idea

Postby ElAbogado » 4 Jan 2010 12:55

Josh K wrote:
mcm151201 wrote:Doesn't mean it's not a great idea :)


I'm trying to think of locks that are just plain hard to manipulate. I was doing some reading on payphone locks and noticed this article (http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/wecolock/) and this picture:

Image

The ratcheting mechanism used to lock the levers into place also intrigued me. Almost like permanently locking serrated pins. If over lifted you have to release tension and start all over.



Could you imagine a lock like this with 20 levers? It's possible with the thin levers that these locks use. Add hardplate protection for the drop in point and wow! Even worse would be a tempered glass plate instead of hardplate that was tied to half a dozen relocking devices randomly located on the safe's door.
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