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Newbie question

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Newbie question

Postby 79x » 9 Jan 2010 8:14

Hi all,

I have decided to take up picking as a hobby and have purchased a set of Southord c1500 picks and some padlocks. I appreciate that there is a learning curve to the art but how on earth do some people on YouTube manage to crack padlocks with makeshift tools such as paperclips in about 2 secs?!

I am still struggling to open my cheapest padlock; I have familiarised myself with the theoretical inner workings of the lock and can ascertain that there are 3 tumbler pins in it but I just cannot decide what kind of "pick motion" to employ; neither the "rake and hope" or carefully feeling them out seems to work.

Any advice is gratefully recieved!

Many thanks
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Re: Newbie question

Postby FarmerFreak » 9 Jan 2010 10:00

Since you haven't picked a lock before. I would like you to try something. I recommend a hook pick. First, without using any tension. Try to feel each pin with the hook pick, lift each one all the way up, one at a time. You should be able to feel the spring(s) try to push you pick back down. This should give you a feel as to where each pin is, and how they feel when they are not binding.

The next thing I want you to try (keep in mind I am not asking you to pick the lock just yet, again this is more for feel). Get your tension wrench out. If the one you have is flimsy/flexible, look for a rigid one, nice and sturdy. If you have to make one, then you should find some material to do so. Use the rigid tension wrench with "HEAVY" tension. Then use your hook pick again, and feel the bottom of each pin, try to lift up with ONLY the amount of force required to lift a pin that isn't binding, You don't want to bend your pick doing this. You should be able to find one or two pins that are binding, IE not lifting up.

The third thing to do is to lighten up on the tension, remember which pin(s) were binding. You need to lighten up on your tension to where you can slowly lift those binding pins without bending your pick. You will need to lift the pin until it "clicks" or otherwise suddenly stops binding. At that point you need to lock for the next pin that is binding,..so on and so forth.

Don't worry about getting the lock to turn, simply concentrate on which pins are binding. You need enough tension to hold allow the pins to set, but light enough that you can lift them without damaging your picks. You can use heavy tension to help you find the binding pins, but don't lift them while using heavy tension. In time you won't need the heavy tension to find binding pins. But first you need to know what you are feeling for.

Good luck, have fun.
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Re: Newbie question

Postby Josh K » 11 Jan 2010 9:44

A note about tension: When I started picking I never really understood how light the tension should be. You barely need any at all. Resting your finger is plenty to open most locks.

What kind of locks did you buy to practice on? Some are easier then others to start off with.
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Re: Newbie question

Postby 79x » 11 Jan 2010 12:55

Thanks for your responses.

I bought standard cheap unbranded brass padlocks; one at £4 and the other was £6. From the feel of it they are both 3 pin.

I have done a little research and discovered some transparent practice locks; I feel I will benefit greatly from these. Has anyone used them? Are they worth the money?


Regards all
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Re: Newbie question

Postby Josh K » 11 Jan 2010 13:00

79x wrote:Thanks for your responses.

I bought standard cheap unbranded brass padlocks; one at £4 and the other was £6. From the feel of it they are both 3 pin.

I have done a little research and discovered some transparent practice locks; I feel I will benefit greatly from these. Has anyone used them? Are they worth the money?


Regards all


I think the only value would be if you were having a hard time visualizing the inside of a lock. Other ten that, it's like playing chess when you know what your opponent is going to do. They are costly and really not worth it, imho.

I picked up a repinnable mortise cylinder (can't remember where I got it, but I'll throw you a link if I do) for about $40. That helped a good deal, especially when you throw a spool pin or two in there.
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Re: Newbie question

Postby Solomon » 11 Jan 2010 13:31

79x wrote:Thanks for your responses.

I bought standard cheap unbranded brass padlocks; one at £4 and the other was £6. From the feel of it they are both 3 pin.

I have done a little research and discovered some transparent practice locks; I feel I will benefit greatly from these. Has anyone used them? Are they worth the money?


Regards all

Only 3 pins? That can't be right... got a pic of the keys handy or even a make/model of the locks? Most padlocks have 5 pins, at the very least 4 - even cheap ones.
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Re: Newbie question

Postby 79x » 11 Jan 2010 14:05

Running the pick from back to front, I think I can make out 3 pins. Of course being a novice I could be wrong...
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Re: Newbie question

Postby Josh K » 11 Jan 2010 14:07

79x wrote:Running the pick from back to front, I think I can make out 3 pins. Of course being a novice I could be wrong...


You might be missing a pin in the back or front. I don't think I've ever seen a three pin lock. Even those tiny luggage locks normally have four pins.
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Re: Newbie question

Postby Wizer » 12 Jan 2010 9:08

Tri-circle 261 has only 3 pins.
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