Master 220

[skold]

Just a quick question...
What kind of drivers are in a master 220..they look rather intimidating, with their big, fat shackle and silvery body

[alias]

Quote from Mad Mick;

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 9:26 am Post subject:

I picked up a Master No 220 last week, which is a 'contractor grade' 5pin with 4 top spools. I haven't given it more than a cursory pick yet, but it's a definte step up from the 'easy stuff'. 5 minutes is a 'heartbeat' when the clock is on you. When the green flag drops, the BS stops.

I've not personally played with a 220 series but got 5 mins to look at a 6230 series the other day (which seems to have 5 spools). It seems that most of those pretty steel round-body Master padlocks have at least some spools pins up top. Also, I've never seen or heard of any Master lock having serrated or mushroom pins...its spools all the way for Master afaik.

[Mad Mick]

I have a 220 and a 230. The 220 is a pretty new lock and has four spools out of five top (driver) pins. The lower (key) pins are just plain, no serrations.

The 230 is a slightly larger lock than the 220 and you'd imagine that it has the same features, having the same plug/shell, but I suspect this particular lock is a few years old as it has no spools whatsoever. It was given to me with a cut shackle and plenty of rapping marks on the body, upon finally picking and stripping, I found the springs to have been mangled by a snap gun.

As an aside to the Master lock topic, I also have a 2" TruGuard six pin padlock which has five spools drivers and two serrated key pins...time is short these days, it hasn't had more than five or ten minutes attention and just sits sulking in my lock bucket...when I finally get around to picking it, I'll let you know how it went.

[Buggs41]

While on the subject of Master Locks, I have a couple brand new Pro Series 6121. They are all keyed alike, and re-keyable. I've been working on picking them for practice, but they won't give. So I give, and pick up a few " easy pickers " to end the frustration.

Anyone know what type of pins are in there? It is a very nice weather proof lock. And so far it has shown me how secure it is also. LOL!

( sorry if I am heading slightly "off topic" on this question. )

[skold]

hmm looks like im gonna have to go buy some master 220's...look costly but they'll be fun

[tastyfish]

skold dont buy any... its not that hard to pick... sort of i ws 1 pin of getting it the 4 times i tryed... and thats me your much better and could probly pick it (i only spent 5 min no it tho) they have about 6 pins and one of the middel ones is a spool or mushroom pin i couldnt tell exactly but ya not all to hard

[tastyfish]

i just pick one laste nite(in about a minuite) all you need is a snake rake and use light tention and just rake it a few times.

the bigest problem i found was the key hole is really small and the cover adds about 5 mm before the keyhole so it was hard to get my wrench in the hole and make it stay there(you need a longish wrench)

at first guess my previous post was wrong... it (i think) has about 3 mushroom/spool pins in it (i dont no yet cause i dont no how to open it)

but basicly its a fealy simpile lock to rake(i tryed pin by pin but didnt get to far)

[skold]

so...not bad tasty...your coming along quiet nicely seing as you started not that long ago...well done

[Mad Mick]

i just pick one laste nite(in about a minuite) all you need is a snake rake and use light tention and just rake it a few times.

the bigest problem i found was the key hole is really small and the cover adds about 5 mm before the keyhole so it was hard to get my wrench in the hole and make it stay there(you need a longish wrench)

at first guess my previous post was wrong... it (i think) has about 3 mushroom/spool pins in it (i dont no yet cause i dont no how to open it)

but basicly its a fealy simpile lock to rake(i tryed pin by pin but didnt get to far)

I don't think you can class a line of locks as being "...not that hard to pick..." from picking just one. You may have had the picking fairies on your side with this one lock, but there will be harder ones within the same product range which will be less forgiving. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pi$$ on your parade, congrats for the quick pick.

Yeah, the thickness of the cover plate requires a longer tang on the wrench...having a suitable material to make an impromptu wrench is always a good idea.

i dont no how to open it

You need to open the lock and swing the toe out of the way. Inside the hole where the toe goes is an allen screw - I think it's 3/32" or maybe 5/32"...anyway, remove the allen screw and the plug/shell will be able to be removed and repinned as required.

[tastyfish]

I don't think you can class a line of locks as being "...not that hard to pick..." from picking just one. You may have had the picking fairies on your side with this one lock, but there will be harder ones within the same product range which will be less forgiving

well i do get what your saying and your most probly right... but iv read other threads about other masters being really easy to rake and a few weeks ago i tryed a diff one and nealy got it useing the same method(keep in mind iv only been picking a month-month and a half at tops)

kinda off topic here but, does anyone know how to open it??

[Mad Mick]

Raking will only get you so far. Once you get a lock which you find difficult to rake, unless you are comfortable and experienced in single pin picking, you will find yourself at that brick wall. By all means rake & then pick the remaining pins, but be able to pick single pins. IMHO, raking is mostly related to chance, usually relying on the tool to do the work (but, this can be a very effective process when certain techniques are learned, and with correct rake selection). Practice single pin picking, starting with one, then two, then three pins, etcetera. This will give you the confidence to know that you can pick that lock when raking alone doesn't deliver.

[tastyfish]

i can pin by pin pick and do try that first usally... but if you hav seen the keyway on a master 220, well its redicuasly small and my picks have troulble moving around in it(i need to make some thinner picks tho)

[skold]

well tasty you will find a screw underneath the shackle,(where it comes out) unscrew it then out comes the plug retainer and lock

[tastyfish]

skold there is no screw under the shackel... it kinda looks like a hex key grrr(or maby a small allen key)

ill show you on monday

[tastyfish]

well once again i prove myself a true idiot... i opend the lock and it has no security pins at all, it has 5 plain, normal pins.

but it still needs light tention for some reason... its a really odd looking lock(the inside of it)