Suggestions and Advice for Kwikset and Schlage

[Josh K]

I finally got my new tools in, the Brockage pick gun and peterson spinner, file and blanks. I must say, Im a bit disappointed with the pick gun, as I seem to rarely be able to make it work. I can generally pick the lock by hand much faster. Perhaps it's a lack of experience with pick guns? Im not sure im applying tension properly. My boss uses the pick gun by clicking and then applying tension, i've never heard of this method before. I always assumed you'd apply constant light tension. It's a pretty expensive tool and I did expect better results. I have not had a lot of luck with the impressioning either, attempted a schlage deadbolt and had a hell of a time, I just can't seem to identify the marks. I wonder if it is the file I am using to polish the blade? (A #2 swiss grobbet, round file) perhaps I should have gone with a #4? It's the only file I have available at the moment. After a few hours of practice I was feeling rather disappointed and defeated heh. I will keep at it.

I felt the exact same and then I tried to return it and they wouldn't accept it.

[loki-aka]

Impressioning,at least for me, does not come easy. Try the following tips;

1.Make sure you have a bight light to work under. Position the reflector so you don't get direct glare.

2.Consider using a magnifier

3. Try using another file - I know you said you may be limited to one particular one now. If you can barrow, try
getting a #4 Pippin.

4. Use a long even stroke when you prep your blank. Press down on the file lightly and only on the forward stroke.
Lift the file from the work as you pull the file back towards you.

5. Don't overdue it. If you are stressed, work on something else. Getting frustrated isn't worth it.

Hope this help.

[Eyes_Only]

After a few hours of practice I was feeling rather disappointed and defeated heh. I will keep at it.

I think everyone has had a similar experience when we first tried our had at impressioning. Some of us learned it the same way many learned picking, by impressioning a lock with only one or two pin stacks. That helps leave a more distinguishable mark that's easier to notice on the key for someone at a beginner level.

And it may be unnecessary but you might also want to checkout some of the tools listed on this site, http://ukbumpkeys.com/subcat_Impression ... _index.php . Although I've yet to get it, I hear that book written by Oliver Diederichsen offered on that site is a excellent text on this subject.

[SALocksmith]

I attempted to impression the Schlage Deadbolt again, and while unsuccessful, I had a much easier time identifying marks, and came pretty close to getting it right. I took the lock apart when I was done, and inserted the key into the uninstalled plug, so I could easily see the shear line. Not quite right, but much much better then the first attempt. These schlage brand locks really do have "tight' tolerances, and alot of depth's it makes impressioning them quite the challenge. I suspect cheaper, SC1 keyways would be easier as they tend to have much sloppier tolerances. (Think, Vista Wall SC1 keyway)

I still have not had much luck with the pick gun, a bit frustrating. Admittedly i have pinned both of my practice locks up to a moderately challenging bitting. I was still hoping for more success. I may have better luck in the real world with "easier" bitting arrays.