Doesn't this make you worry???

[ENGR]

So after my ordeal with the keymark lock (don't ask). I got me a padlock and got it easily - I was even able to get my old front door kwikset lock...

Well crap, now I'm worried.. I've only been doing this for less than a month and I've been able to pick all these.. what's to keep other people from doing the same and just walking into my house???? it's really a scary thought. So much for being safe, if anyone can easily pick my front door

Doesn't this worry you?

[Squelchtone]

So after my ordeal with the keymark lock (don't ask). I got me a padlock and got it easily - I was even able to get my old front door kwikset lock...

Well crap, now I'm worried.. I've only been doing this for less than a month and I've been able to pick all these.. what's to keep other people from doing the same and just walking into my house???? it's really a scary thought. So much for being safe, if anyone can easily pick my front door

Doesn't this worry you?

Yes. That's why were so vocal about spreading the word to the masses both about how cool locksport is and how insecure most locks are and that the consumer has been in the dark for far too long. The more we talk, the more companies like Master, Kwikset, and Schlage will react, and if we educate people about other options such as high security locks that you wouldn't normally be exposed to by a visit to the Do It Yourself store like Ace, Home Depot, Lowes or Walmart, then we can help keep people better educated and safer than they started off.

This is also the reason we can often be total jerks to new users asking how to pick something or how to fix something they messed up. Locks are pretty easy to pick and we don't know everyone's intentions when they visit this forum, so now you know why we're so cautious/reluctant/abrasive/mistrusting. We can't just give out all sorts of information without feeling out the person asking for it. For generations locksmiths guarded this information, but unfortunately it also kept the consumer totally in the dark and very pacified. The internet came along so the cat is out of the bag. Now all we can do is manage the information in as a responsible way as possible. Other forums are more open about discussing certain things like safe cracking, drilling locks open, etc, and I'm sure anyone with a couple free hours and google on their side can find most anything they wish to know if they have ill intent on getting past a particular brand or model of lock.

spread the good word of locksport, and only use your skills for good.
Squelchtone

[Eyes_Only]

Yeah, ever since I learned how to pick locks and got good at it after a few months I have never been able to see the world the same again.

[Evan]

@ENGR:

Just wait for the really scary part... Learning picking is one thing, one day you will learn about other things like typical residential construction for door openings and what is really inside that shiny nicely painted fancy front door...

Then you will learn to inwardly laugh at the $400 high security lock on a door that can be easily defeated whenever you see one...

~~ Evan

[ENGR]

You guys may be interested to know that when we lived in Israel (about 10 years ago), we had a steel door with bolts that would snap into the steel frame on all 4 sides. This is the key we had. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to pick unless you are a professional:

Top side: http://cl.ly/W1s

Bottom side: http://grab.by/3QZY

Note for starters that both sides have pins in them. Also note the circular notches with the "dot" in the middle.
I'm not sure how the lock itself works, but it looks extremely hard to pick.

This is made by an israeli company called rav-bariach.

[JK_the_CJer]

Solution?

http://theamazingking.com/images/locks/door.jpg

[unlisted]

mul-t-lock has and can be picked rather easily ENGR..

[Eyes_Only]

You guys may be interested to know that when we lived in Israel (about 10 years ago), we had a steel door with bolts that would snap into the steel frame on all 4 sides. This is the key we had. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to pick unless you are a professional:

Top side: http://cl.ly/W1s

Bottom side: http://grab.by/3QZY

Note for starters that both sides have pins in them. Also note the circular notches with the "dot" in the middle.
I'm not sure how the lock itself works, but it looks extremely hard to pick.

This is made by an israeli company called rav-bariach.

I second that. The first link isn't working but if I understood you correctly and both pictures were of the same key (for a Mul-T-Lock) then I'm sorry to say that those "pin-in-pin" dimple locks can be picked fairly easily with dedicated dimple picks you can buy for cheap from China.

I've got a couple of Mul-T-Lock Classics, Interactive's, a Garrison and an asian copy of the lock by the brand called Teshen. All the ones I have pick open very quickly.

The new MT5 with the sidebar may be a different matter though. Haven't had a chance to play with that one yet. Darn things are still way too expensive.

[Josh K]

mul-t-lock has and can be picked rather easily ENGR..

+1. Something to do with the large rotation of the plug you get after you set all the outer pins.

[raimundo]

the old style multi lock such as the key shown was also suceptable to the michaud comb. so that initial rotation is easily achieved.

[Squelchtone]

Note for starters that both sides have pins in them.

Not really. Only one side of the key does any work when inserted. The key just happens to be reversible like most car keys. They cut/mill both sides of the key to make it easy to use by the user.

What you have there is the Mul-T-Lock Classic. The Mul-T-Lock Interactive model, usually a blue key, also has a floating ball bearing pressed into the key which helps with key control, but I also believe makes picking more difficult.

Normal picks would make it difficult or at least time consuming to pick, but the special tools made to pick them, are pretty quick and easy to use once you get a feel for it. http://www.multipick-service.com/htdocs/en/werkzeug/picksets/multilock/

Read this, its a good site:
http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/mul-t-lock/


Squelchtone

ps. I sense a thread hijack is occurring.

[ENGR]

Thanks for bursting my bubble.. now I feel all warm inside knowing those can be easily picked too. Good point on the double-"sidedness" of the key itself. Your correct, its identical on both sides. I assumed since the key was serrated on both sides - the lock had pins on both sides, but alas that's not the case.

So what can I do? Is this the solution: ? I almost feel like if I put a nice lock on there they'd end up breaking a window
Perhaps an alarm system is what it comes down to..

Solution?

http://theamazingking.com/images/locks/door.jpg

Thanks everyone for all the input though!!

[yng_pick]

When windows or door kick ins are a concern, I usually recommend nice locks and an monitored alarm system.

Depending on local crime, expensive possessions, level of paranoia, etc, there are also solutions for reinforcing doors and windows, including replacing windows or covering them.

I have heard both ways-
An expensive lock can perhaps make a potential thief bypass your house for an easier one, or may indicate to the thief that you have something worth breaking in for.
There will always be a way for a person to break in and do harm; the idea is to make it more difficult and less rewarding to the criminal.

[unlisted]

Why are you overly concerned about break in? Your in university.... ?

[Josh K]

Why are you overly concerned about break in? Your in university.... ?

+1.

Medeco locks are nice until you pick them. Then you have this burst of happiness followed by a long bordem. I can practically shake open a Kwikset + clones and a Schlage is simply a Falle Deep Curve #3 and some light TOK tension. Pop goes the weasel.

I'm going to have a pair of BiLocks coming, hopefully those will provide a challenge. Then after that maybe an Assa Twin?