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Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

TOSL Project. A community project to "build a better mousetrap".

Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby Rickthepick » 21 May 2010 10:05

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: love this thread
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby 98AB49DC5A » 22 May 2010 14:09

Just a little idea here. magnets attract ferros metals. also iron and steel can be magnetised. so why not, magnetize the top and bottom pins. align all the magnetic domains in the same direction so the pin stack becomes one big magnet. with balanced pinning one pin stack should be indistinguishable from another. the springs could be replaced by a magnetic cover on the bible which pushes the pins down. top and bottom pins would stick to one another making energy transfer during bumping fairly inneficient and possibly pulling the bottom pin above the shearline. all in all it might resist bumping fairly well and magnetization of the pins would be fairly easy.
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby 98AB49DC5A » 22 May 2010 14:11

actually it wouldn't resist bumping for long. the impact of the bump key on the pins would demagnetize the pins fairly quickly.
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby jwhou » 24 May 2010 0:15

98AB49DC5A wrote:actually it wouldn't resist bumping for long. the impact of the bump key on the pins would demagnetize the pins fairly quickly.

Master Lock looked into magnetic pins as an approach to defeat bumping but they said the driver pin still separated from the bottom pin on the way down as it set on the shear line. Of course they were using the magnets to hold the top and driver pin together to prevent a wide gap from forming during the bump. Mind you if that was the goal, simply going to wafer locks or a pin that protruded out both top and bottom hence gauged the key and was sprung with side fingers would've done the trick.

The Master Lock document that mentioned the magnets was titled "New Anti-Bump Technology from Master Lock by Billy Edwards, CML". The document also stated that the high speed video footage showed that it wasn't the inertia transfer via the Newton's Cradle effect that was at work but the top driver pins setting at the shear on the way down which was why their telescoping pins and magnetic pin attempts failed prompting them to focus on the shape of the bottom of the driver pins.
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby jwhou » 24 May 2010 0:27

Magnets as springs don't work because the magnetic force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance where as what you want with a spring is for it to be linear.

For bump resistance you want the force to be proportional to how quickly the pin is being moved as the bump is a more violent and quick movement. If the driver pin was magnetic then it's motion would induce a current in a coil and this coil could be wired to a circuit that would provide the magnetic resistance proportional to the rate of movement but the result is a lock that requires batteries and would run through those batteries really fast. Not really practical for a lock.
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby oORusHOo » 24 May 2010 4:37

jwhou - Then an ideal bump-proof lock would be one that has a non-newtonian liquid behind the driver pins which hardens with force. Like corn starch :]
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Re: Plastic Key. Defeat Magnets.

Postby jwhou » 24 May 2010 9:49

oORusHOo wrote:jwhou - Then an ideal bump-proof lock would be one that has a non-newtonian liquid behind the driver pins which hardens with force. Like corn starch :]

Or tapioca ;)

Problem is that would all leak out over time.
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