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Useful pick types

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Re: Useful pick types

Postby kamikaze1 » 7 Mar 2010 13:28

For me it was also an Incredible Experience too,because i have some Locks i´m not able to open.Andre Matuschek says:Show me them!And he Picked almost all My Locks in some Minutes!
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Schuyler » 7 Mar 2010 13:36

Andre's a phenomenal picker. So many of them are. :)
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Theist17 » 19 Apr 2010 22:04

nostromo wrote:Here's a rough guide: If your focus is single pin picking pin tumblers, go for the hooks. If single picking single sided wafers, the half diamonds. If raking double sided wafers go for a double ball and the like. If you want to start raking single sided pins or wafers, start with the rakes.

Start basic with what you want to pick or you'll go crazy hopping from pick pattern to pick pattern.
When you're ready to move on from basic patterns you can expand to the more advanced, say from simple hooks to sweeps or angled patterns.

No hurry in making them. There are LOOOOTTTTSSS of locks out there to work on. Lots.



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Re: Useful pick types

Postby murgle » 9 May 2010 9:50

i have a set of picks called "southord mpxs-14".. im trying to pick a pin cilynder lock now. it has a high in the front, low in the middle set up, and my small hook in the set is too thick in the neck to press down the second pin to bind (the fourth pin in line) without pressing the second pin over the sheerline, thus preventing the fourth pin from setting at the sheerline.. im now have the hook in a vice and am (painstakingly lol) sanding it down with sandpaper for metal, to create a slimline or european neck of the pick.. hope it works..

the long hook included in the set, if very hard to get in past the second pin, even impossible from where i stand, with its current width and size, but i guess it would be helpfull pressing down the second pin if it went high low, the first being the second low.

anybody any suggestions on this? tips on the long hook? or just sand it down to european size? ive also tried putin the tension wrench in the bottom (or top whatever way you got it mounted) as an alternative way, but didnt have a lot of succes.

btw i have a cutaway, so i see exactly what is goin on.
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby raimundo » 12 May 2010 8:29

Those long hooks are for old lever tumbler locks,

They will work on levers, and they couldn't possibly be for pin tumblers in that size.
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby SadisticPsycopath » 23 May 2010 8:26

Dude, that booklet looks sweet.

Will be of great help for people making thier own picks!

I've been meaning to get some picks made but I'n not very practical. :(
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Schuyler » 23 May 2010 9:55

Yeah - sorry - it will get finished! I promise. I've just been inundated with other projects lately :\
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby thesheerline » 31 May 2010 19:02

I have a Southord PXS-17 piece set and for the most part I only use 4, those being the small-hook, half-diamond, snake rake, and the saw-rake. I like the small-diamond as it's an extremely versitile pick for both raking and spp'ing, It's especially useful when dealing with Schalge (In my experience) and other locks with small key-ways. I use the saw-rake primarly for scrubbing. The snake-rake is good for scrubbing locks with low spring resistance, and it runs over the pins like butter. I often times use the snake to "finish off" a lock that just has a pin or two left. The short hook is almost primarily used for SPP'ing, although I also find them effective as a rake in some cases, mostly on locks which have very little spring resistance by inserting it to the back of the lock and gently rolling it over the top of the pins while keeping the tip of the pick angled upwards slightly, as to not get "hooked" on a pin stack.

If I could re-do it, I would have just purchased the above-mentioned picks individually. I simply don't get enough use out of most of the set.
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby jos weyers » 20 Jun 2010 8:28

Schuyler wrote:I'm actually working on a booklet that describes the differences & best uses of various pick types.

any news on the booklet?
Or did it get caught in a swarm of other projects (I know the feeling)
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Schuyler » 20 Jun 2010 9:57

It is caught in the swarm to be sure! I've been given a good reason to finish it, though - I just got approved for Kickstarter funding to produce my own line of picks: http://kickstarter.com
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby jos weyers » 20 Jun 2010 12:55

Schuyler wrote:I just got approved for Kickstarter funding to produce my own line of picks

want !
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Schuyler » 20 Jun 2010 19:06

Hahaha, you'll be sure to get some ;)
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Squelchtone » 22 Jun 2010 10:23

kamikaze1 wrote:Thanks for the Explanation!I´m really Interested in Making some Types of Hook´s,because the most Locks I have are Europrofile Locks such as Abus,Dom,Trelock and some Padlocks.The Pickset i have is from Dino, but it´s not really good. :( So I decided to Make some DIY in the near Future.



I just found a Dino set that looks a lot better than their crappy brown handle Navigator set:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200312513_200312513

Not a bad price either!

so now we know we can get a nice basic set from:

Southord
HPC
Brockhage
Majestic
Southern Specialties
Peterson
LAB
Rytan
Dino
Lockmasters (I think these are also made by Dino/Dyno/Klom)
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby foxhunter » 23 Jun 2010 14:41

good post, never realized there was so many different picks.
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Re: Useful pick types

Postby Schuyler » 26 Jul 2010 8:07

Just finished up the 2nd half of an article for the DefCon "Speaker's Corner" and thought I would cross-post the whole of it here. I will say that posting publicly for DefCon I was a little showier than I would be on LP101 as it's easy to be an expert in a void. I would love to hear dissent from you guys on any of my explanations, as I'm just working off the best of my personal knowledge, but for simplicity sake I'm reposting the article in it's entirety and not changing the language around. :)

Among the first questions you hear when teaching anyone to pick a lock is some variant of "What is this pick for?" I've heard it a dozen ways, "Which one should I use for this lock?", "Which one will open it fastest?" and "How does this one work?" I know that answering this question in print won't keep me from having to answer it a million more times, but at the very least it will help me collect my thoughts and hopefully serve as a primer to new pickers who come across it.

Important note: Much of this is merely my opinion. My incredibly accurate opinion.

RAKES, HOOKS & PROFILE PICKS, OH MY!

There are three major categories of lock picks. Rakes typically consist of multiple sharp or flowing curves and are meant to manipulate multiple pins at once. Hooks are just the opposite, consisting of a single point, though there is a great deal of variety in how that point is designed. Hooks are meant to manipulate a single pin at a time. Profile picks are all sharp angles and may seem completely random at first blush. These are designed to recreate the profile of the key with minimal manipulation.

There are outliers that don't fall into the three main groups. Of those, most important are the diamond & ball picks. I'll cover those in depth. Depending on how quickly I put together the rest of this material I may cover more esoteric tools meant for specific locking concepts. We'll see!

Hooks

The first tool many pickers will use is your basic medium hook. This is a perfect beginner tool because it's a bit clunky inside the lock, doesn't require a great deal of skill to get the best use out of it, but in its simplicity it remains very effective and often enjoys a place in the primary kit of any picker as their skill advances to the intermediate stage.

To best describe the medium hook's limitations, I'll explain the advantages of the Gonzo, so called because the head looks a bit like the nose of Gonzo the Great. Unlike the m.hook, the Gonzo has a rounded tip, allowing it to move more smoothly through the lock. Also, the tip extends just a bit higher than the m.hook, allowing it to better manipulate tricky high-low bittings. The Gonzo is beloved among many, if not most, advanced pickers and has taken the place of the m.hook in their primary kits.

The Long Hook is a bear. It is difficult to move through many keyways, can get caught inside the lock mid-pick and is generally just uncomfortable to work with. However - the extreme tip that causes all of those problems also allows it to set the most ridiculous high-low bittings. Though this pick rarely sees regular use, it has proved itself invaluable once or twice and so many pickers will keep it around, just in case.

The deep curve is the most widely borrowed member of a family of tools built around a specific method of picking. Personally, I've never cared for the Falle method of progressive curves, but there are people I respect a great deal who swear by it, so I'll leave it to them to fill you in. The deep curve, regardless of how I feel about the larger system, is an excellent tool. By allowing the belly of the curve to run along a low point in the keyway & rocking the pick into the lock, following the line of the pick head, you get a great sense of control and can easily manipulate difficult to reach pins in the back of the lock.

The most common notched hooks tend to fall, in height, somewhere between the m.hook & the l.hook. However, you can carve a notch into any pick you like and enjoy the benefits. Simply, the notch makes it easy to locate each pin inside the lock and in the rare situation where heavier-than-normal force is required you don't risk slipping off of the pin you are working on as you would with the Gonzo or m.hook. Finally, in locks with oddly shaped pins, such as Medeco's chisel tips, the notched hook allows you to manipulate them in more specific ways, such as rotating them.

I do not know Deforest's first name, though I've heard someone say it before. These days the picks named for him are more likely to be known as an "offset diamond" and "offset ball," but where possible I'll try to give these picks what I consider their proper names. The Deforest diamond is typically my second pick in a lock, right after the Bogota, which I'll cover in the rakes section. The angled tip of these picks gives the deforest deeper reach than your typical hooks and the added shape to the tip, whether ball or diamond, allow you some additional manipulation options. My primary use of the Deforest is to defeat the previously mentioned high-low bittings. The Deforest moves through a lock with ease, unlike the l.hook and can set the more extreme high-lows that the Gonzo can't quite reach. Though you will rarely find them in starter sets, a Deforest should be one of the first picks you make or acquire after you get comfortable with your initial tools.

There are other hooks and other single pin picks that straddle the line between hook and something else, but by the time you come across them, you'll be able to deduce their function.

Rakes

I'm probably going to start some fights when I discuss rakes. I will be the first to admit that my tastes are sometimes non-standard, but I've tried countless tools and opened a lot of locks, so trust me. Then, when you find out I'm completely wrong and you don't open any locks, you'll have learned a valuable lesson about trusting experts on the internet.

I'll begin with the ever-popular "snake rake" or "c" rake. This diminutive, narrow profiled rake that is found, without fail, in every started set a new picker buys, is all but useless against decent locks. It will pop Master #3s like magic. It will stun and amaze and eventually, once you learn to use and love the other tools on this list, fall into disfavor and out of your primary kit.

Much more interesting is the Large S. When I first saw this tool I was told it was the German secret weapon. "Push, Push, Open!" my Dutch friend declared. I bought one immediately and found great success with it. The Large S is able to set more varied bittings than the C or the S.

The S rake is loved by a lot of people. I don't really tolerate it well and as such I'm probably not the person to describe it's best use. So I'm not going to! Ask almost any other competent picker though and I'm sure they can tell you why they like it. One note - this is a very common rake in starter sets and typically the first pick to break on a heavy handed newbie picker.

The L rake, however, I love. The L is the only rake I buy in bulk for classes and workshops. The most common profile you will find for an L rake is pretty timid, but can still do the job. While this pick will open a decent number of locks, I've found it's best use is in setting 7-9 cut pins. Apply light tension & rake low in the keyway to set the longest pins in the lock, then, increase your tension a little bit as you go back in with a Gonzo or Deforest diamond to finish the lock off. A basic, but very effective speed picking strategy. These aren't easy picks to make by hand, but can be well worth it so you can craft a more aggressive profile.

Most important in this list is the Bogota. Sole creation of Raimundo, this pick has been poorly reproduced by many of the major manufactures in the last 3 years. Unfortunately for the people buying the knockoffs, you can't just stick a Bogota rake on a popsicle-stick handle and expect it to work it's magic. Lacking the thin, bent handle of the traditional Bogota, they have dramatically reduced the efficacy of the pick. I cannot overstate the ludicrous quality of a well made Bogota rake. NKT, a British competitor at the Dutch Open (now LockCon) in Sneak, NL made it to the final table using nothing more than a set of Bogota rakes and popped one of the final round locks in 3 seconds as well. They double as tension wrenches, it's why they come in pairs. The basic method is to hold the rake like a trigger and "Shake like you've had too much coffee." Silly as it sounds, it works. Personally, I've developed a slightly different technique over the years, but still, it would not work without the bent handle. The Bogota is the only rake on this list that allows me to get a quick topography of the lock with a few simple swipes. Bogota + Deforest Diamond is how I won my Black Badge.

Then there's the W rake. The l.hook of the rake world. This unwieldy, aggressive rake is sure to get bound up in the back of your lock and it's thin connection between shaft and pick head means it will bend and break with heavy handed use. However, just like the l.hook, it has proved itself by opening a tricky lock, if rarely, and thus remains in use today. Sometimes the ugly, odd and downright fragile picks will open the locks we can't get at otherwise.

Diamonds

The half-diamond is one of the only tools that remains wholey unchanged in a pickers primary kit from the day they learn how a lock works to the day they are declared a Meister. (you computer folk are ninjas, we lock folk are meisters.) Half-Diamonds can be found in 3 basic sizes, small, medium and large. The small diamond will flit through a lock with ease, but doesn't effect much inside, the large diamond's long ramping sides can be incredible useful, but can be near impossible to move in tight keyways. Right between them, then, we have the medium diamond, which moves through the lock well and has enough of a slope to be quite useful. I would make a Goldilocks reference, but the Locksport community doesn't associate with burglars.

Really important note about half-diamonds, and I was guilty of this myself for the first year and a half I picked, most pickers don't understand their proper use. They are often described as half-hook, half-rake, because they move so smoothly across the pins, are wide enough to manipulate 2 at once, but still have a defined tip that can move a single pin at a time. Similar to the c-rake I mentioned previously, the half-diamond, when used in this fashion, will seem awesome as it pops simple locks open with little-to-no effort. However, this method fails quickly on better bittings. To quickly define that, the bitting is the pattern of the key pins. If you have very little variation, a lock is easier to pick. Simple test: look at your key, does it look flat? Or does it have big changes in height from cut to cut? The more complex those cuts, the harder the lock is to pick.

The real value of the half-diamond comes from those sloped sides. In situations where you need to move a pin very little, or when you have to apply stronger tension than normal, a half-diamond is your best friend. Take the situation of a serratted pin. Serratted pins have grooves cut along their base so that when you apply tension to the cylinder they will get caught & feel as though you have set the lock. Moving a serratted pin is a delicate process, if you push too hard you are liable to shove the key pin up into the bible of the lock, foiling your whole picking attempt and forcing you to reset. Using a half-diamond you can carefully push the pick head deeper into the lock, letting the pin ride up the side. This gives you much more control than a hook ever could.

Balls

Balls come in any manner of shapes and sizes. Most popular is the half-ball, followed by the snowman, or double ball. All of these picks are most commonly used on wafer tumbler locks. The gentle curves of the ball family are ideal for the loose tolerances of most wafer locks. That is not to discount their efficacy against other locks, as there seem to be some people with the uncanny ability to pop some decent pin tumbler locks with balls as well. These people, however, are widely regarded as freaks by those of us who can't.

Profile Picks

Profile picks are a really interesting concept. Rather than try to actively manipulate the pins in the lock, the profile picks try to simply set all of them to a specific configuration, then test the lock. This is the brute force attack of lockpicking. The strength of the attack comes down to the size of your library. For example, the Majestic "High Tech" pick set has 16 individual heads, each of which can be used in either orientation in the lock, giving you 32 profiles to work with. By bouncing tension while you slowly move these picks in the lock, you may well find the shearline. By trying the profiles at different heights and angles you really can cover a huge range of bittings.

On the other end of the spectrum you have the King & Queen picks. These 2 pick heads can only be used in one orientation, so you are limited to 2 profiles. Used by themselves these are incredibly ineffective. However, their profiles are so dramatic that they make a great addition to a well rounded pick set and have found their way into my heart & my primary kit. When you are up against a very aggressive bitting and failing miserably, or if time is nearly up, taking a run at the lock with the King or Queen may be your last resort. It's the hail mary pass of lockpicking, and when it works, it's amazing. Last thought on these: Never be tempted to rake with profile picks of any sort, their sharp angles and dramatic variations in height make them prone to catch and even snap inside the lock. Be gentle with this attack.

Matadors and Cruciform Rakes

At first blush this may be an odd association, but I have my reasons. Matadors are rakes for dimple locks, Cruciform rakes are for cruciform locks. You don't see many of either in the states, with the exception of Mul-T-Lock, which are actually pretty exceptional locks and not likely to be popped by Matadors. The reason I bring these up together is that they are very effective tools against locks that seem intimidating when you first encounter them. Matadors are flat pieces of steel with ridges running across them that interact with the key pins in dimple locks. When you see them the first time they don't seem varied enough to work, but that's the great secret about most simple dimple and cruciform locks, the bittings are inherently weak. Look at the flat of your key, how dramatic a difference could there be between the longest and shortest possible key pins? Not very! The lack of variation, as we discussed above, makes for easy picking.

Cruciform rakes rely on the same principle. Stuffing 3 (or 4) rows of pins into the footprint of a standard cylinder leaves little room for big differences in pin heights. There are people who do both concepts well, DOM, Kaba, etc. but, much like the cheap disc detainer locks that are flooding the US bike lock market, the dimple & cruciform locks starting to make headway here are easy to pick if you have the proper tools.
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