Help Identifying Lock

[leonon]

My family owns some pay washers and dryers that use odd keys and we've lost one of the keys. Mom wants me to pick or drill it but I don't even know what it's called to search for how it works. The keys are double sided and can only go in one way (can't go in upside down). I think it may be some type of wafer lock but like I said, not sure. I'd rather not have to take one apart to see how it works if I can avoid it since they're rather expensive.

Here's some pics of a key and a lock.
Key Side A
Key Side B
Lock Box Front, it says "Greenwald Ultra-Guard"
Back of lockWhen the key's turned the pin thingys move outwards and bolts slide outwards from the top and sides.

Any help with what these are called or how they work is appreciated.

[Oaklandishh]

That might be a laser track lock? but I really don't have any expertise in this field so take that with a grain of salt. It looks like this though http://lockwiki.com/index.php/EVVA_3KS

[Squelchtone]

That might be a laser track lock? but I really don't have any expertise in this field so take that with a grain of salt. It looks like this though http://lockwiki.com/index.php/EVVA_3KS

It's no laser track lock, that's an old Bell Lock "squiggle lock" technology from the 1930's. Many current locks take their basic operating designs from the old Bell Lock. A lot of old juke boxes and gumball machines used this style of key. ASSA Desmo, EVVA 3KS, the 1960's Eagle 3 star, etc.

You're not going to pick that easily, especially if this is your first endeavor into picking locks. Call a locksmith and have them drill it out, or do it yourself and save some money.

or try to call Greenwald and ask if they can offer any assistance in sending you a key, or go on ebay and buy a new cash box with keys to replace the one you're about to drill out.

Good Luck,
Squelchtone

p.s. http://cgi.ebay.com/GREENWALD-Ultra-Guard-Coin-Box-Cobra-Lock-ESD-Wascomat-/260617395344

[Squelchtone]

This should help you with the dimensions and part numbers when searching the internet for used or new cash boxes:

http://www.greenwaldindustries.com/docs%5Cproducts%5Cmoneyboxes.pdf

[globallockytoo]

Those bell type locks are made by Loginlock, in Connecticut.

Tom is the person to speak to and he is also the licensed US maker of Bilock.

BiLock North America Inc
53 Railroad Avenue, Southington, CT 06489
Tel 860-378-0302

[leonon]

Thanks for help identifying it. I figured best case scenario for picking was "difficult" based on how the keys look. I don't have the key code number (it's written on a sticker on the inside of the money box) so I doubt we'll be able to just call in for a new key.

I have some experience with picking standard pin tumbler locks and simple wafer locks but this seems completely different from what I've dealt with before. I havn't seen any guides on how to drill wafer locks so any tips would be helpful.

[Squelchtone]

I havn't seen any guides on how to drill wafer locks so any tips would be helpful.

We don't offer tips on "destructive entry" in the public forums, that wouldn't be very responsible of us.

All I can say is wear safety glasses when using a drill, and let the drill do the work, don't press too hard or you will end up with a dull drill bit and a pile of metal that's even harder to drill than what you started with.

And remember, just because you drill the lock out doesn't make the 2 metal tabs retract, you'll still have to figure out a way to turn it somehow to be able to remove the box from the housing.

Squelchtone

[leonon]

So I went to Home Depot and got a bit that said it was for metal then drilled on the money box for a while and basically just scratched the paint off. Then I decided to try every key we had and it turns out we actually had one for it.



At least now I know a little more about the things, before asking about them here I didn't even notice that the serrated side on the key grip always goes up.