Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby v12v12 » 15 Sep 2010 15:01

SALocksmith wrote:You could also, try an a more obscure keyway, something like NA6, corbin russwin, LSDA20 (LSDA "Locksmith keyway"), or even Everest C123, or the locksmith primus keyway might be available cheaper then a restricted keyway. This is a half-way point between restricted and non-restricted because no hardware store, home depot, lowes, or wal-mart will carry it, but any of the above can still be duplicated by a locksmith.

I'd also like to add that's it's kind of pointless to install good locks without reinforcing the strike plate and/or door jamb. At the very least you should buy a commercial grade strike plate and install it, you should be able to buy these at any lockshop in town for 5-10$, at my shop we have 100's of them laying around because they come with every grade 2 door knob/lever we install but we normally just keep using what's already there, as often times there's nothing wrong with the strike plate, but the lock has failed, (especially levers).

You could also look into something like a Stirke Master Pro, but Im pretty sure that's alot more money then you want to spend, definitely get the commercial strike plate, and put 4" screws in it.



Excellent advice! You know... I'm no "expert," but I'm certainly well-informed, and wouldn't exactly call myself a "pro," but def not "avg..." and I didn't even think about the strike plate lol! Geesh what an oversight, glad you chimed in. No point in having a brick house and a cheap wooden door lol...

It's been so long since I've done a full house relock, I'm forgetting the basics lol! :oops:

This reminds me why I'm so lucky I stumbled upon LP101 randomly, and then pursued membership. This is def one of the, if not the most helpful forum I've ever joined! :D

Thanks folks!
E=Mc^2 = busted!
v12v12
 
Posts: 138
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 21:38
Location: iLLadelph

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby gswimfrk » 5 Oct 2010 19:42

Best Locks are a good choice too. I have recently installed them on my residence. Try to stay away from the a keyways.

P.S. Are Medeco Airs biaxial, and are the keys restricted (requiring a card to dup?)
gswimfrk
 
Posts: 99
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 20:55

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby v12v12 » 6 Oct 2010 20:15

gswimfrk wrote:Best Locks are a good choice too. I have recently installed them on my residence. Try to stay away from the a keyways.

P.S. Are Medeco Airs biaxial, and are the keys restricted (requiring a card to dup?)



Yes I too have found BEST locks to be a PITA to pick... deep key-way, tons of master/grandmaster pins, high spring tension on the pins, sheesh what an annoying (more secure) lock.

BTW- "Try to stayaway from the keyways?" Could you rephrase that, I'm a little confused...

Thx!
E=Mc^2 = busted!
v12v12
 
Posts: 138
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 21:38
Location: iLLadelph

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby gswimfrk » 14 Oct 2010 0:22

v12v12 wrote:
gswimfrk wrote:Best Locks are a good choice too. I have recently installed them on my residence. Try to stay away from the a keyways.

P.S. Are Medeco Airs biaxial, and are the keys restricted (requiring a card to dup?)



Yes I too have found BEST locks to be a PITA to pick... deep key-way, tons of master/grandmaster pins, high spring tension on the pins, sheesh what an annoying (more secure) lock.

BTW- "Try to stayaway from the keyways?" Could you rephrase that, I'm a little confused...

Thx!


Hahah I meant the Best "A" keyway :oops: b/c its wayy too common! Even Ace carries the blanks! :(
gswimfrk
 
Posts: 99
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 20:55

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby Safemaster » 14 Oct 2010 21:29

v12v12 wrote:Hey all, looking for some advice regarding getting replacement locks for my folks home; someone has a key copy that shouldn't, so they want all new locks. I'm looking for something "good," but nothing insane on the wallet, as I'm prob paying for it and will do the install myself etc...

The upper end Schlage locks aren't too bad and would deter most novice attempts at fiddling around in the 1st place... Any advice on:

1) Models (doesn't have to be Schlage)?
2) Realistic price (4 locks)?
3) Any discount/venue(s) to purchase (Ebay, forums etc.)?

Thanks for any aid or replies!

-V

If you want to save many the 200 series Schlage sold at Home Depot or Lowes will do; 300 series or above is recommended but not sold in hardware stores.. I recommend stay away from Kwikset Smart key as they are junk and extremely easy to open within seconds and they often have mechanical
failure within 6 months of use.

LSDA grade 1 are best bang for the buck but you will need to find the nearest locksmith in your area.
any restricted key way will be on the costly side of your wallet
Safemaster
 
Posts: 3
Joined: 18 Jul 2008 15:22
Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby v12v12 » 15 Oct 2010 13:14

Again thank you guys very much... this info will come in very handy in the near future, once I get some spare time to get this all research and completed. Sure will bring a better piece of mind knowing that a dang 12 yr old with some metal scrap and a file cannot jimmy open the locks... Then again a big 4 legged SURPRISE awaits all that past the seal... :lol:


Ace carries BEST-A blanks, wtf; I thought they were all "do not dup?" Hrmm I wonder if I could just stamp that on whatever keys (not Kwiks) to fool any local copiers into thinking the key is "restricted," hehehe :twisted:
E=Mc^2 = busted!
v12v12
 
Posts: 138
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 21:38
Location: iLLadelph

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby Evan » 15 Oct 2010 13:38

v12v12 wrote:Again thank you guys very much... this info will come in very handy in the near future, once I get some spare time to get this all research and completed. Sure will bring a better piece of mind knowing that a dang 12 yr old with some metal scrap and a file cannot jimmy open the locks... Then again a big 4 legged SURPRISE awaits all that past the seal... :lol:


Ace carries BEST-A blanks, wtf; I thought they were all "do not dup?" Hrmm I wonder if I could just stamp that on whatever keys (not Kwiks) to fool any local copiers into thinking the key is "restricted," hehehe :twisted:



Myths and Legends... Very few keys actually are protected from duplication by law... Many more keys are actually only protected by a contractual agreement between the lock manufacturer and end user or locksmith which has to do with authorization to use factory "restricted" keyways...

Duplication Prohibited - do you agree? -- This thread from the Locksmithing Business Information sub-forum here on LP101 covers the major opinions on this issue...

~~ Evan
Evan
 
Posts: 1489
Joined: 5 Apr 2010 17:09
Location: Rhode Island

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby v12v12 » 24 Oct 2010 22:05

Evan wrote:
v12v12 wrote:Again thank you guys very much... this info will come in very handy in the near future, once I get some spare time to get this all research and completed. Sure will bring a better piece of mind knowing that a dang 12 yr old with some metal scrap and a file cannot jimmy open the locks... Then again a big 4 legged SURPRISE awaits all that past the seal... :lol:


Ace carries BEST-A blanks, wtf; I thought they were all "do not dup?" Hrmm I wonder if I could just stamp that on whatever keys (not Kwiks) to fool any local copiers into thinking the key is "restricted," hehehe :twisted:



Myths and Legends... Very few keys actually are protected from duplication by law... Many more keys are actually only protected by a contractual agreement between the lock manufacturer and end user or locksmith which has to do with authorization to use factory "restricted" keyways...

Duplication Prohibited - do you agree? -- This thread from the Locksmithing Business Information sub-forum here on LP101 covers the major opinions on this issue...

~~ Evan


Hello, very interesting info indeed, sounds like a topic I could really sink my teeth int(!); I love controversies...

I guess it was intended more for social-experimentation just to see who would go along and who would do it anyway...I digress. Def intriguing about the layers of rules, regulations and under-handedness that goes on in the lock-smithing industry; def a business that's got it's own "dark-side..." haha.
E=Mc^2 = busted!
v12v12
 
Posts: 138
Joined: 12 Oct 2005 21:38
Location: iLLadelph

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby Squelchtone » 24 Oct 2010 22:49

OP: Any update on which locks you finally chose for your parent's house? Were they easy to install, and how are they working?

Thanks,
Squelchtone
Image
User avatar
Squelchtone
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11316
Joined: 11 May 2006 0:41
Location: right behind you.

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby crito » 28 Oct 2010 14:57

I came here looking for advice too.

For my fairly new home. I am replacing all my doors and locks and door frames with commercial quality or better doors/locks/frames.

Overkill? yes. but its only a few hundered for each door, and it is pretty safe. Add some security laminate to the windows. I feel better.

ceco doors, master security doors, abloy protec, etc. Its all good, heh.
crito
 
Posts: 7
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 22:07

Re: Advice needed: Full home replacement locks: Help plz!

Postby crito » 28 Oct 2010 15:03

oh yeah. btw when i lived in an apartment, it was broken into..... dealing with the insurance, police, etc. I would of paid 4 or 5 times amount of what I am paying now to make my home more secure.

For three entry doors, and a few windows to make them more secure, it is really a small price for safety.
I didn't go all out. I have multi layer security (alarm system, etc).... I just wanted to have security that can only be defeated in a small handful of ways. and those ways are the less common methods of people breaking into people's homes.

call me stupid or silly, but I feel better after all of this. (I am doing my own install, so its not that expensive, hehehe).
crito
 
Posts: 7
Joined: 18 Sep 2010 22:07

Previous

Return to Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests