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Nemisis Lock

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Nemisis Lock

Postby WolfSpring » 22 Nov 2010 17:09

Anyone out there besides me have a Nemisis lock? I'm not talking that lock that is just so advanced that it's a pain. I'm talking that lock that physically should take a 5 second rake to open, no security pins, but every time you come accross one it responds completely different from the other times?

Mines the Master DG, and contrary to belief it has no security pins, at all. I've taken apart three of them, all standard pins. But the key way is set up so to fast raking and your t wrench will slip. It's a tight angled keyway also so you have to have a thinner t-wrench or top keyway and rake. When I try to SPP, well I won't even go there. I've opened them before after two rakes, but I've got a few that have taken me forever, go two right now I havn't opened yet, only had them a few hours, but I HATE THEM. Bad thing too, last year I was a begginer, and DGs sucked for me, so here we are a year later I get handed six of them, I think I'm better now, first lock 10 second rake, next two about an hour of screwing around, not trying for the whole hour, talking online and raking, the 4th I snap picked, now I have two left, one is a small one two which I didn't know they made a DG a little smaller. Either way I'd love to hear you guys stories of your "nemisis lock" that lock that a 6 year old should be able to pick with a paperclip butevery time you come across it you shutter.
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Re: Nemisis Lock

Postby weilawei » 22 Nov 2010 17:21

I've got a Master Lock no. 3 that's so beat up I'm surprised it works at all. The pins stick like crazy so it can be a 5-second pick job--but the innards are all scraped and the tolerance is ...not so good..., so I've sat there for an hour and a half and got nowhere. I tend to pick it counter-clockwise, beat the thing on something to get the driver pins unstuck and back into the plug, then pick it clockwise, beat it up again, rinse, lather, and repeat.

I keep telling myself I'm not *that* bad, but apparently I am.
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Re: Nemisis Lock

Postby illusion » 22 Nov 2010 17:21

A certain bright member on here who's username sounds a bit like a plant sent me a Yale lock that to this day I still haven't been able to actually open.

I really did think I'd totally lost it until it was revealed that the lock had been tampered with by re-pinning the lock using the most extreme high-low-high combination with shed loads of security pins.

I should try again sometimes soon. :)
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Re: Nemisis Lock

Postby mh » 26 Nov 2010 16:47

To me, "simple" CES (Carl Eduard Schulte) locks are like this. They look extremely simple, like ABUS C83, but are made very precisely, and just every time require much more time than they should, if they open at all.
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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