Kwikset Double Cylinder Deadbolt Question

[Shun91]

Hey guys....I'm literally a brand new noob to lock picking and I've just got a few questions. Anyway, so I've been on Youtube recently trying to understand lock picking and I've come to the conclusion that either I suck or all the locks around my house are Pick/Bump Proof! Before I say any more I'll clarify one thing; I'm picking locks around my house for practice but we have one door in the house that we've actually lost the key to and we don't have the money to call a Locksmith....That lock is the one mentioned in the title of this topic.

So guys, my questions.....

As I said, I'm trying to bump or pick a Kwikset Deadbolt. I've been starting small with Master Pad Locks and I haven't had much luck. I've been using home made stuff though for picking it. I'm using the end of a metal pen clip as the tension wrench and long thin roof staples as the pick. In my experience though, the pins are supposed to lock when you put tension on the wrench, but that's not happening for me, at least not when I work on the front pins and for the back pins I'm not even sure.

Can someone clarify why the pins seem like they're not locking and also if it's possible to bump key Kwikset Deadbolts or even pick them?! The help would be much appreciated guys, thanks alot.....

[keysman]

I've come to the conclusion that either I suck or all the locks around my house are Pick/Bump Proof!
also if it's possible to bump key Kwikset Deadbolts or even pick them?! .

Well I won't comment on your ability, but Kwikset locks are generally pretty easy to open.

You might try doing a search, and read some of the stickys all of your questions and a lot you have not even considered will be answered.

[thelockpickkid]

You have alot to learn. You need to understand locks before you can pick them, you really don't understand whats going on in the lock.

[Shun91]

Nevermind guys! Thanks for all your smart remarks....I just picked the lock about 5 minutes ago!

[thelockpickkid]

Nevermind guys! Thanks for all your smart remarks....I just picked the lock about 5 minutes ago!

they were not smart remarks, just telling you the way it is. Congrats on picking the lock, you act like it has never been done before. I hope you don't pick a lock and foul it up, because it will cost you money for a locksmith to fix it.

[Shun91]

Really? You can break a lock doing this?! I honestly did not know and thanks for the heads up man!

[Tyler J. Thomas]

Really? You can break a lock doing this?! I honestly did not know and thanks for the heads up man!

It's not as easy as they make it sound like it is. I actually think it's sort of careless to use this "scare tactic" against newer members. So long as it isn't securing a door, if you screw it up, toss it or have it repaired. Simple as that.

You have to really TRY to break a lock while picking it.

[Solomon]

Really? You can break a lock doing this?! I honestly did not know and thanks for the heads up man!

It's not as easy as they make it sound like it is. I actually think it's sort of careless to use this "scare tactic" against newer members. So long as it isn't securing a door, if you screw it up, toss it or have it repaired. Simple as that.

You have to really TRY to break a lock while picking it.

I pretty much agree with you on this, but sometimes locks do strange and unexpected things that you just don't see coming regardless of how careful you are.

A couple of years ago, I messed up a rim cylinder because one of the pin stacks was actually so short there was only a spring blocking the shear line... that pin didn't set when I picked it, so the spring got trapped and of course I just put that down to the lock being stiff and forced it to turn. You guessed it, the spring got completely screwed... sounds like a newbie mistake, and it was, but in a door this would be an easy mistake for anyone to make.

Granted this isn't a common thing, but it just shows that locks can do some weird stuff. And if this sort of thing does happen, not many newbies are gonna have spare springs and longer drivers lying around to fix it properly - so this would actually mean replacing the entire lock.

[mhole]

This is not uncommon, I've done it a few times. Granted, I've picked hundreds of locks, and it's happened maybe 3 times, but it is still a possibility. There are also locks with trap pins, or small master wafers which can get tipped up, so it is a real concern when picking locks in use.

[locksmith420]

ive also been trying to pick a kwikset double cyclinder deadbolt for about a month now. ive watched ever video on it i could find n i jus cant get it. so i wondering if you could tell me what you did different to get the unlocked. if anyone eles could help me that would be great to

[Solomon]

ive also been trying to pick a kwikset double cyclinder deadbolt for about a month now. ive watched ever video on it i could find n i jus cant get it. so i wondering if you could tell me what you did different to get the <censored> unlocked. if anyone eles could help me that would be great to

Erm, watching videos isn't gonna help much. You need to understand what you're doing and why, most videos don't really explain anything properly unless they're tutorials. And most "tutorials" on youtube are downright laughable... you should check out this video if you haven't already though, kokomo explains everything very well. Every newbie needs to see this.

Of course if you do already have a full working knowledge of the mechanism and understand the binding defect properly, watching videos isn't the answer. Practice, concentration and patience is the way to go... and if it won't open for love nor money, you need to look at your specific lock and figure out what the deal is, cos it could be any number of things. Crazy bitting, security pins, buildup within the cylinder etc. Or it could just need more tension than normal to bind the pins properly.

If the term "binding" is new to you, watch that video and pay attention as if your life depends on it. Binding is the most important thing you need to udnerstand, next to tension control. Once you understand what you're doing and develop a feel for the right tension, just keep practicing till you get it. If your lock is a standard kwikset you most likely won't have any problems and it should pop quite quickly, especially if it's new. If it's a titan or ultramax it'll have spool pins, so you might want to research those. And if it's a smartkey, I suggest putting it to one side and getting something more basic cos those things have an entirely different mechanism.

[shokthx]

Really? You can break a lock doing this?! I honestly did not know and thanks for the heads up man!

It's not as easy as they make it sound like it is. I actually think it's sort of careless to use this "scare tactic" against newer members. So long as it isn't securing a door, if you screw it up, toss it or have it repaired. Simple as that.

You have to really TRY to break a lock while picking it.

I pretty much agree with you on this, but sometimes locks do strange and unexpected things that you just don't see coming regardless of how careful you are.

A couple of years ago, I messed up a rim cylinder because one of the pin stacks was actually so short there was only a spring blocking the shear line... that pin didn't set when I picked it, so the spring got trapped and of course I just put that down to the lock being stiff and forced it to turn. You guessed it, the spring got completely screwed... sounds like a newbie mistake, and it was, but in a door this would be an easy mistake for anyone to make.

Granted this isn't a common thing, but it just shows that locks can do some weird stuff. And if this sort of thing does happen, not many newbies are gonna have spare springs and longer drivers lying around to fix it properly - so this would actually mean replacing the entire lock.

Total newbie here, but a question on this case:
Assume this is your lock and it's not a door you are too concerned about (you live in a good part of town and you doubt someone would try to pick it to break in anyway). If you put the lock back together without the pin and spring, the same key would still work, right? Other than being one pin short it would still lock and no one would really know unless they tried to pick it or take the lock apart?

James

[Evan]

Really? You can break a lock doing this?! I honestly did not know and thanks for the heads up man!

It's not as easy as they make it sound like it is. I actually think it's sort of careless to use this "scare tactic" against newer members. So long as it isn't securing a door, if you screw it up, toss it or have it repaired. Simple as that.

You have to really TRY to break a lock while picking it.

TRY to break a lock during picking ? Not really... Especially if the lock in question is master keyed or has special keying conditions... In a master keyed lock small master pins can drop into the bottom of the keyway if you rotate it past 180º during your picking, even if you are careful to use a tension wrench to hold the driver/upper pins in place...

There are locks out there set up to be user re-keyable by means of the presence of either ball bearings or specially glued pin stacks in one or more chambers of the lock that if you picked such a cylinder you could either inadvertently lose one of the ball bearings or separate the glued pins causing the key which is supposed to operate the lock to no longer function...

This is one of the reasons why the membership here harps on "do not pick locks that are in use" and "do not pick locks which you do not own"... I won't even touch on the ethical or legal reasons which should be crystal clear to anyone learning how to pick locks...

~~ Evan