Hi Guys Im New Looking for best possible Lock

[sombre]

Ok Hi guys,

I found this forum yesterday because I am looking for the most secure, unpickable, un-bumpable impossible to open lock. I live in a condo on the 6th floor: The only wsay in my condo is by opening the lock. I cannot imagine one knocking down the steel reinforced door because its super strong and also because it would attract major attendtion since there are neighbours on my floor. I used the search for: impossible to pick bumb locks, most secure locks, best locks, etc.

I some info that I was looking for, but I would like to strenghten or improve my knowledge about the lock that I want. In some of the topics that I read, people were going on about other types of security, the lock not being the weak link of the system. I definitely agree with that in the case of a house, but in my case paractically the only way someone will get in is by opening te lock.

First I want to know: I read that there are no locks that cannot be opened. I am looking for one that cannot be opened. Unless that doesnt exist, that is what I want.

I thought ok, if all locks with keys can be opened, I should buy a lock with numeric keys only. What do you guys think about this solution?

BTW my budget is unlimited for this because I choose protection and peace of mind over $ and I have $ right now, of course if cheaper solutions that work JUST AS WELL are available why not. Is there other locks with no key system that are impossible to open that I should get?

If I were to buy a lock with key, which one is impossible to open?

Thank you very much guys if you chose to answer my post.

[MacGyver101]

This topic seems to come up every couple of weeks -- and always starts a small religious war over people's loyalty to particular lock brands.

To pick one at random, an Abloy deadbolt with an Abloy Protec core would certainly fit the bill: it is, from the standpoint of anyone wanting to break into your apartment, unpickable and un-bumpable. Off the top of my head, Schlage Primus, Schlage Everest Primus, and Mul-T-Lock MT5+ are all also more than sufficient for your needs. (And I'd avoid the push-button locks.) If you're outside North America, there are a number of other good options as well -- but your ability to find a particular brand at your local locksmith will vary a lot from region to region.

It sounds like you're already thinking of some of the other things you need to consider: door strength and door-jam installation are also very important. In general, as well, high-security locks typically have keys that are going to be expensive to copy -- and often only from the locksmith that you bought the lock from; keep that in mind when you're evaluating costs.

[sombre]

by reading thourhg some posts I saw Scorpion. How would you compare in terms of impossible to open to Abloy protec?

[Evan]

@sombre:

What are you keeping in your condo that you don't want anyone to steal ?

That said, do you have to provide a copy of the key to your condo association ? If so then don't go with anything too expensive as other people will have access to one of your keys...

A decent (mid-level expensive) lock like a Grade 2 Arrow Deadbolt can be fitted with many high security cylinders and doesn't look like Fort Knox on the outside of the door from far away, up close someone could see the name on the face of the cylinder... Those Medeco and Abloy deadbolts attract attention from far away (they say: "Rich stuff inside this door here, just try and open it...")...

So a decent mid-level lock on your door combined with an alarm system wired to the door is where you should invest your money... You would be surprised at the entry methods that some people can use on even steel doors and how quickly entry can be made if you know what you are doing without even bothering with attempting to pick the lock...

The lock on the door keeps out the casual prowlers who make it into the building and the alarm system will through the central monitoring station alert you to when the door is opened by the keeper of the key for the association...

~~ Evan

[Wizer]

How about;
Abloy Protec + Abloy bodaguard deadbolt?
Anyone claim they can pick both?

[sombre]

-I dont have to provide key to no1

-I dont care if I attract attention with exotic lock

-I want to protect against that WANTS to get into MY condo, not against random thief, hence why I came here asking for a lock that is impossible to open. I have and alarm and a steel reinforced door the only thing I need is a lock that is impossible to open.

I retain the ABLOY PROTEC.

Is "numeric only" lock not impossible to open? Theres is no key, am I missing something?

[sombre]

And and also are Scorpion locks as good as Abloy Protec?

Thank you guys for your answers

[sombre]

pardon me if I post back to back, I did not find the option to modify a post...

This is from: The Lockdown: Locked, but not secure (part2) by Mark Weber Tobias:

"Disk locks, such as employed by Abloy, likewise cannot be bumped. Their internal design resembles a combination lock and they can be very secure, although there are decoding tools for some models"

would this apply to Ably protec?

[criminalhate]

would this apply to Ably protec?

Yes it does

[Evan]

First I want to know: I read that there are no locks that cannot be opened. I am looking for one that cannot be opened. Unless that doesnt exist, that is what I want.

What you read is correct... There is no such thing as a lock which can not be opened... All you would be doing is selecting a lock which would require quite a bit more skill to open OR a bigger tool to force the door...

~~ Evan

[mcm757207]

The lock you want is EVVA MCS. Very expensive, locks only keyed at factory, all keys factory controlled. No known bypass techniques without prior knowledge. You'll probably need to buy a new door prepped for a good mortise lock which will accept the EVVA euro-style cylinder. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about it.

Protec is probably #2, but it has been bypassed. Although I wouldn't worry about it unless your hiding nuclear secrets or something. EVVA MCS uses very sophisticated magnetic keys.

-mcm

[sombre]

thank you very much guys your imput is much appreciated

I too was thinking EVVA MCS after reading the above mentionned article, but when I spoke to my local locksmith he said he has not heard of it... but he does sell ABLOYS, Ill go check him out at store see if it is the right PROTEC model, is there anything specific I should be looking for when choosing the PROTEC model asides than measurements that fit my door? are all PROTEC models the same in terms of level of security, ot is there just one model...

I would really like to know what you guys think about numeric lock without key, it just seems to me that because it has no keyhole it cannot be opened, am I missing something?

[vov35]

nothing you purchase is going to stop a determined attacker with a power drill...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj4myR2XlWc


Still, nobody will go to pick an abloy lock...

Your protection comes from having ANY high security lock brand that let's thieves see what they're up against and move on to the next house...

[Violaetor]

You can open a numeric lock, just a different method, or until someone view's or jacks the code.

If you want an "impossible to open lock" best bet is to carry an oxy-acetelyne torch with you and weld your door shut behind you.

If you want a very difficult to open lock, Abloy is probably your best, easily obtainable, bet. They are used by Military/Security/Banks/etc.

[SnowyBoy]

nothing you purchase is going to stop a determined attacker with a power drill...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj4myR2XlWc

If that lock had ceramic plates & rods it would smash that cutter in two seconds flat. All it's cutting is brass, mild steel, and when it gets to the discs, copper.