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Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

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Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby hydruh » 20 Mar 2011 22:18

I need statistics - NorAm or Europe - on percentages of burglaries committed using lockpicking. Must have source, verifiable. Just thought someone might have already done the hard work, and would be willing to share. Full credit in the presentation, of course.

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby keysman » 21 Mar 2011 5:10

hydruh wrote:I need statistics - NorAm or Europe - on percentages of burglaries committed using lockpicking. Must have source, verifiable. Just thought someone might have already done the hard work, and would be willing to share. Full credit in the presentation, of course.

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Hey I checked this out a few years ago for an article I was writing. I contacted the Las Vegas Nv. ( metro) police dept and asked the same question... after several phone calls I finally got an answer. 1. They do not like to provide stats that may be quoted. 2. They are not aware of any illegal entrys by lockpicking in Clark County. (Largest county in Nevada + USA)
I also contacted North Las Vegas PD. ( different town) and recieved almost the same answer.

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby raimundo » 21 Mar 2011 11:42

the fbi makes up and publishes some stats. about once a year

the only real information that you might find would be anecdotal such as the cases that involve capture with tools and stolen goods. remember that just having tools is not burglary. just having a penis is not evidence of rape either.

there have been some famous burglars, the watergate republicans used lockpicks. and got caught the umpteenth time they broke in because they were arrogant and put the tape on the door.

There was a famous international thief from Winnipeg, who used a hangglider on one of his capers.

a guy who hid out in duluth got caught after he shot a doctor in washington dc he may be one of those guys like the two Discovery channel burglars Matt Johnston, and Douglas Rainy, not a lockpicker.

and be sure to google H. Edward Tickel. He definatly picked locks but is quoted on Barry Wels blackbag as prefering to impression keys.

sorry I forgot the names but that should be enough to find a match on google. And then there was the kid who got famous living in houses, or stealing airplanes on Vashon Island and the bahamas somewhere.
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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby MacGyver101 » 21 Mar 2011 13:32

It's not dealing with lockpicking, per se, but you may find some useful stats for California here, and in the sources they reference:

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby Evan » 21 Mar 2011 14:32

raimundo wrote:the fbi makes up and publishes some stats. about once a year

the only real information that you might find would be anecdotal such as the cases that involve capture with tools and stolen goods. remember that just having tools is not burglary.



The Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) are compiled by the FBI every year based on voluntarily provided data by Law Enforcement Agencies participating in the collection of data by either providing UCR tally counts of crimes that both occurred and were reported to the police... The UCR has been criticized because it is only a listing of the most serious offense in each incident, reflecting the top count only, neglecting to include any lesser included offenses... Also it is in the art of interpretation where the reporting officer and/or the data collector within each contributing agency can "downgrade" crimes which were clearly attempted but not completed...

Examples:

-- A bank robber kills a guard during the course of the robbery

That offense would be reported as a murder only under UCR...

-- A would be burglar does damage to a door clearly indicating a desire and intent to gain entry

That offense could be reported as vandalism or property damage rather than what it really was...


To resolve this issue, a new system called National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) which reports all offenses that occurred during any given incident... Although the idea and framework for NIBRS has been around for 20-something years, agencies have been slow to adopt the new method and the required technologies to be able to electronically submit the information to the FBI...

There is still a major flaw in the system in that states have a variety of different definitions for crimes (offenses committed on one side of a state line might be something entirely different those few feet away in the next state) as there are very few universally defined crimes and seeing what a category total for all homicide offenses in a given area may give a misleading impression that the area with a higher rate of occurrence for murder might be a gangland or the wild west when in fact most of the homicide offenses in that area are in reality connected with drunken driving accidents...

It would be nice to get everyone on the same type of system... This is slowly happening due in part to "Homeland Security Grants" and the Real ID program... Up until a short time ago running an inquiry on an out-of-state ID might not have been done at the time of the interaction of the person with the law enforcement officer if the link to that state's DMV system was down, so that person would be run through the NCIC active warrants database and sent on their merry way if no active warrant was listed for them -- the police being totally unaware of the validity (is it real or fake) or status (active, suspended or revoked) of the driver's license in question until after the fact...

Another scary aspect to law enforcement is in some large metropolitan areas the police field units can not even communicate between each other without having the radio dispatchers convey information over the phone to their counterpart in the neighboring departments... Given that many criminals don't respect boundary lines and neatly confine their criminal acts and escape routes entirely within one agencies' jurisdiction this is a terrible thing... Solving this problem isn't as simple as programming an additional channel into all of the radios to allow for communications with the other departments, as this can not be done if one is using a VHF system and the other a UHF system as the expense of resolving the situation is not within a budget reality of either department -- this is where a lot of grant money was going immediately after 9/11...

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby Ortin468 » 21 Mar 2011 21:38

Interesting question. Not sure if you are going to get the numbers you are looking for. I live in New York (city) and I do not know how well this is tracked. It is probably all tossed under breaking and entering. Sadly to say I know a few officers here and they claim the Captains in certain precincts tend to skew numbers, to make their precinct look improved from the year before. IE it was illegal trespass rather than the actual charge of breaking and entering.
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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby Evan » 21 Mar 2011 23:56

Ortin468 wrote:Interesting question. Not sure if you are going to get the numbers you are looking for. I live in New York (city) and I do not know how well this is tracked. It is probably all tossed under breaking and entering. Sadly to say I know a few officers here and they claim the Captains in certain precincts tend to skew numbers, to make their precinct look improved from the year before. IE it was illegal trespass rather than the actual charge of breaking and entering.



Fudging the numbers in departments that rely on CompSTAT is quite common...

It is often the only way for numbers to improve without throwing more manpower in a given area...

The numbers are usually fudged as it pertains to the clearance rates of the crimes reported to make the precinct commanders look more effective and efficient...

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby hydruh » 25 Mar 2011 21:07

Thanks, everyone! This is plenty to get me started.

I did find a story bout a burgler that was arrested in LA on burglery after a few years and 68 lockpicking cases. After he was put away, lockpicking burglaries stopped cold in LA. There was exactly one working lockpicking burglar. Funny.

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Re: Seeking stats on lockpicking burglaries

Postby Ezz » 1 Apr 2011 4:39

I work for a company in the UK who own (amongst other things) a few home insurance companies and I used to deal with home insurance claims. In my experience we very very rarely had cases where there was NDE and any case where there was no sign of forced entry would usually be considered that the owner of the property had probably forgotten to lock the door rather than been bumped/picked.
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