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Pick variety

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Pick variety

Postby RedTalon » 20 Sep 2004 13:47

I see a large amount of different picks, and was just wondering how oftend if ever they are really used. From what I have seen mainly, a pick for raking, and one for indvidual picking are used.

I have seen all these pics with like round tips, ect. Are these ever really used.

I am pretty much starting out. So what I am asking is it really a big help to toss out an extra 10 to get this set
http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS

as opposed to
http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS
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Re: Pick variety

Postby Pheniox » 20 Sep 2004 13:50

RedTalon wrote:I see a large amount of different picks, and was just wondering how oftend if ever they are really used. From what I have seen mainly, a pick for raking, and one for indvidual picking are used.

I have seen all these pics with like round tips, ect. Are these ever really used.

I am pretty much starting out. So what I am asking is it really a big help to toss out an extra 10 to get this set
http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS

as opposed to
http://www.lockpickshop.com/Merchant2/m ... ry_Code=LS

I would do it, but then again, I personally like petersons alot. LPS though s a fine site, and I am going to be ordering some more from them again soon if they give me a 11% discount code :)
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Postby Romstar » 20 Sep 2004 15:55

Every single pick style has a designated purpose.

Whether it is a full diamond, half diamond, lifter, full ball, half ball, double ball, rake, profile, or other type of pick.

I made some posts about this before. See if you can find them.

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Postby RedTalon » 20 Sep 2004 20:35

I can see each pick having its own purpose...just wondering how oftend all of you use those not common picks?
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Postby WhiteHat » 20 Sep 2004 20:42

I'm a hook man myself so I mostly use hooks. because I'm a hobby picker I prefer the challenge of individual picking so I rarely use rakes - sometimes I use the snake (or 3/4 rake?) and wiggle it arround. I rarely use the sawtooth rakes for anything except for showing my friends/family how quickly a poor quality lock can be opened.

sometimes, however, when I'm really bored or just want a new type of challenge I'll try to open a lock using every type of pick I have - it's not efficient but it's something to do... not that I get really bored very often... come to think of it - I havn't actually done that for about 5 or 6 months....

for locksmiths it would be different though... and they'd most likely use each pick when needed for it's particular purpose.
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Postby CaptHook » 20 Sep 2004 20:53

Well, I use the ball and double ball alot on wafers, especially double wafer locks (saves flipping the pick over each time). If you look at the snake, its pretty much a hollowed out half double ball. Rakes like the ripple etc, have their uses, however a half diamond can usually accomplish the save action created.
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Postby lock_assassin » 20 Sep 2004 20:55

Not all that often. I mainly use the half diamond, different sizes of hooks and the "deforest " or diamond hook/reach pick. It is also helpful to rake a few times and then set the rest of the pins with a hook. The ball & half ball picks are good for wafer locks, but you can open the wafer locks with just about any other picks once you keep practicing. Tension wrenches are just as important, if not more than the picks themselves.

You'll find 3 or 4 picks you will use all the time, and the rest will set in the case. Trust me, I have a few different pick sets and there are only a handful of tools I use and the rest never see the light of day. Watch buying some of the larger sets because you will end up with a lot of duplicates. Personally I would go for the 14 piece set because it will do just about everything you want, unless you plan on trying some non-USA type locks. If you decide you don't like picking you aren't out that much, plus you could sell them here if you wanted to get rid of them.

happy picking...

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Postby DeadlyHunter » 20 Sep 2004 23:16

If your just getting into it, and are not sure if you like it yet, then why not make your own? Even if you dont have a grinder, you could spend the $40 you would have for a kit on a grinder. Then you could make all the picks you want to. So you would save money in the long run and if you really didnt like picking then you would still have something to use (the grinder). Just a thought :D
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 21 Sep 2004 18:50

The more I pick, the more I notice that you can do it all with just a couple basic shapes. Other shapes are specialized or work better on certain locks. For a basic n00b set, I think I would recommend a half diamond, a hook, and lots of different tension tools. Tension is often neglected.

The hook and half diamond are most useful to me because you can single pin pick or rake with either one! Yes, I rake with a hook! :) Pull-raking. I even found that a hook can work well to rake wafer locks! Half diamonds works well as rakes or single pin and if you make your own, you can experiment with the height and the front angle to get the shape that works best for your style. ...and your lock. I like to make the half diamond height so it pushes the key pins just above the middle of their travel, and farther if I rake a little harder/faster ;)

Don't underestimate the straight pick, either! Sometimes a straight pick works excellent on a particular lock. It depends on bitting among other things. They can also be used as a bypass tool for some locks, or to pick you nose.

The more exotic shapes are fun to try and they will work better sometimes and worse other times. It depends on a lot of factors, but they are not most people's everyday picks. They are good to have if you like to try different things out and great to mess with when you are bored too!

Choosing a pick or a set of picks is much like choosing a computer. You must ask yourself "what do I want to do with this?" and "Am I going to use this?" and all the other usual questions. :)

If making your own, I would suggest making shapes as you find them interesting. When you see a shape that looks like it might be useful, make it. If buying a set later, you will know what you like as well as what you may just want to try. Nothing wrong with a little variety! :) Especially when trying a new lock for the first time. :) Don't forget to try different picking methods! Every pick, just like every lock, and every picker, has it's own quirks! :)

Happy picking! (...and pick making as well!)
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Postby RedTalon » 21 Sep 2004 23:16

Cool thanks for the info. I decided to go with the 7 pick set from petersons.
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » 21 Sep 2004 23:32

Sounds like a good choice to me! :) I hear Peterson makes some good picks! I have duplicated the slender gem and reach shape before and had good results! Have fun with those! :)

I make my own picks for the most part, but I would like to have several small commercial sets from several different manufacturers in the future. They are great to use, and great for ideas. You may find that you use only a few of your picks most of the time, but you're tastes may change over time, so it is nice to have all the basics covered. :) You can always get more of the exotic shapes later. :)
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Rakeing...

Postby Gloon » 25 Sep 2004 11:02

I've had success with useing a rake but it really seems more like luck than skill when it opens. I tend to use a hook and enjoy puting thought into what my movements are causeing the actual mechanic inside the lock to do. Yeah its allways good to get the lock open but its much better for me when I understand whats going on and I know that it was my knowlage put into good use that accomplished my goal not just some good luck with the right tool.
Then again I hardly know what I'm talking about. I have searched for a manual on rakeing but not knowing much about boards like this I have had no luck. Can someone clue me in a bit more about how and why the rake works where I can read about it and your prsonal thoughts.
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Postby RangerF150 » 25 Sep 2004 16:14

I just got a Southord 62 piece set :-)
Doubt if i will ever use half of them , but they sure as hell look great !
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Postby toomush2drink » 26 Sep 2004 5:44

I like the hook for spool pins and use various rakes and had a lot of success with a homemade snake rake. Recently had a lot of success with a ball pick which i filed down to only half so its a bit like a diamond pick but a semi circle shape.I found this is great for wafer locks with slightly restricted keyways.
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