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Postby j0113 » 26 May 2011 13:21

Hi, i got my first lockpicking yesterday and i got some locks to train on. I managed to get one of them open, like 6-7 times. That one is really easy. But when i try with the other locks i manage to lock on every pin except one, when i lock on that one, another pops down and the same when i lock on the other one.
What am i doing wrong?
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Re: they pop down

Postby MacGyver101 » 26 May 2011 14:02

It sounds very much like your second lock has security pins. (These are specially-shaped driver pins that make picking more difficult -- and they will cause the sort of "counter rotation" that I think you're describing.) If you search around for topics discussing "security pins" or "spool pins", there are a number of good tutorials on how to approach picking those.
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Postby j0113 » 26 May 2011 14:24

MacGyver101 wrote:It sounds very much like your second lock has security pins. (These are specially-shaped driver pins that make picking more difficult -- and they will cause the sort of "counter rotation" that I think you're describing.) If you search around for topics discussing "security pins" or "spool pins", there are a number of good tutorials on how to approach picking those.


Yeah, i heard of those. Will search, thanks for ur answer :)
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Postby j0113 » 26 May 2011 16:51

I cant find anything, can someone please link me?
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Postby MacGyver101 » 26 May 2011 21:41

Here are some threads that came up on the first page of results for "security pins":


There are a bunch of others if you search around. (Try Googling for "security pins site:lockpicking101.com".)
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Postby smhatter » 26 May 2011 22:25

I've had this trouble with one of my locks that only has standard pins too. I had much better luck picking it while tensioning in the opposite direction. Give it a try, sometimes it helps a lot.
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Re: they pop down

Postby loather » 13 Jun 2011 3:01

This can happen also if you over-set a standard pin. Once the key pin raises past the shear line it'll put the plug more in line with the driver holes and cause some of the pins to drop.

One trick is to use a bit more tension on locks like this. Play around with it, varying the tension until you find something that works well.
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Postby TheSkyer » 13 Jun 2011 4:51

What also helps is seeing if your lock starts to turn slightly after you set a pin. This can happen for 2 reasons.

One: You caught the plus on the spool / security pin as described above. this means you haven't actually set it but just caught it the sheer line. if you push it up further it will force the lock turn back a bit making it easyer for other pins to reset if not carefully done.

Two: You have a mechanically dodgy lock where the holes in the plug aren't aligned nicely with the holes above the sheer line. Pushing up a pin can cause the lock to turn back resulting in the same issue as with example one.

Tension is the key here, if you want a good lock to try this principle on I suggest for example an Abus 55/50, they contain all spool pins and are great to practice on ;) They are tough for beginners so don't get frustrated ;) The good thing is with these padlocks you can actually hear the pins resetting and thus know you've messed up the tention.
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Re: they pop down

Postby jedidove » 17 Jun 2011 13:55

Believe it or not, another good lock to pick up is the standard Schlage deadbolt you can find in home depot. Image The one bought had 4 spool pins! Only one or two would false set consistently, but it gave me great practice at how to sneak a false set spool past the shear line without reseting others. It is definitely all about the tension.
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Postby Squelchtone » 17 Jun 2011 14:57

jedidove wrote:Believe it or not, another good lock to pick up is the standard Schlage deadbolt you can find in home depot. Image The one bought had 4 spool pins! Only one or two would false set consistently, but it gave me great practice at how to sneak a false set spool past the shear line without reseting others. It is definitely all about the tension.


Just make sure the one you buy is a NOT a SecureKey you-do-it rekeyable version, only the old version has normal pins and springs, the rekeyabale version which has a little + sign over the keyway is not a normal pin tumbler lock and not much fun when learning how to pick. Home depot still has the old style in the Commercial packaging (grey and white I think)

Otherwise, I agree with above poster, Schlage is great to learn on.
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