Sweden

[SPP]

There is no locksport group in Sweden. Isn’t it time?

[Ophidian]

I agreee

[MrRusswarez]

I heard that it's not allowed to purchase or to possess Lock Picking Tools in Sweden. Or maybe im wrong?

[Ophidian]

There is no locksport group in Sweden. Isn’t it time?

How do I start up a group in sweden?

[Ophidian]

I heard that it's not allowed to purchase or to possess Lock Picking Tools in Sweden. Or maybe im wrong?

I am going to take look at what the law here in sweden says about it and if there is any permissions needed for lockpicking tools for private use recreational. what I know now is that only loocksmiths are allowed to use and possess these tools.

[Legion303]

Starting a group is as easy as gauging interest, finding convenient days and times for everyone to meet, finding a venue that doesn't mind lockpickers, and announcing it. If it's legal in your area you should have no issues. Good luck!

-steve

[Ophidian]

Starting a group is as easy as gauging interest, finding convenient days and times for everyone to meet, finding a venue that doesn't mind lockpickers, and announcing it. If it's legal in your area you should have no issues. Good luck!

-steve

Thank you Steve!

I'll check back when I got more info about laws over here

[MrRusswarez]

Starting a group is as easy as gauging interest, finding convenient days and times for everyone to meet, finding a venue that doesn't mind lockpickers, and announcing it. If it's legal in your area you should have no issues. Good luck!

-steve

Thank you Steve!

I'll check back when I got more info about laws over here

That will be very useful information.

[Ophidian]

I've been in contact with the local police and got the answer that it is illegal for a private person to be in possession of lockpicking tools if you're not a locksmith, however as a private person doing this as a hobby you can apply for a permit/licence to own these tools. If in the future I or someone else start up a locksport group I suggest all members should get a permit so the legal stuff is out of the way. When I asked about meetings etc you have to apply for a permit if you rent a public place. I'm going to check up more about purchasing lockpicking tools if this permit covers this. I have applied for a permit and hope I get it .
If anyone has any more questions about how to apply, fees or any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. I hope this information was helpfull.

[MrRusswarez]

I've been in contact with the local police and got the answer that it is illegal for a private person to be in possession of lockpicking tools if you're not a locksmith, however as a private person doing this as a hobby you can apply for a permit/licence to own these tools. If in the future I or someone else start up a locksport group I suggest all members should get a permit so the legal stuff is out of the way. When I asked about meetings etc you have to apply for a permit if you rent a public place. I'm going to check up more about purchasing lockpicking tools if this permit covers this. I have applied for a permit and hope I get it .
If anyone has any more questions about how to apply, fees or any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. I hope this information was helpfull.

Did you ask them by what law it is forbidden?... Is it possibly to find this law in the book of laws?...

[Ophidian]

I've been in contact with the local police and got the answer that it is illegal for a private person to be in possession of lockpicking tools if you're not a locksmith, however as a private person doing this as a hobby you can apply for a permit/licence to own these tools. If in the future I or someone else start up a locksport group I suggest all members should get a permit so the legal stuff is out of the way. When I asked about meetings etc you have to apply for a permit if you rent a public place. I'm going to check up more about purchasing lockpicking tools if this permit covers this. I have applied for a permit and hope I get it .
If anyone has any more questions about how to apply, fees or any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. I hope this information was helpfull.

Did you ask them by what law it is forbidden?... Is it possibly to find this law in the book of laws?...

There is no law in Sweden specificly for being in possesion of lockpicking tools, only strict laws about selling them:
http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/index.aspx?nid=3911&bet=1979:357
In Swedish

However it can seem like preparation to commit a crime if in possession of lock picking tools and you probably can get withheld until it´s proven these tools are not for committing crime, and also risk of losing them or worse get locked up. The law I´m reffering to can be seen here:
http://www.riksdagen.se/webbnav/index.aspx?nid=3911&bet=1962:700 23 chap. §2 2:nd heading
In Swedish.

I also saw in some forum about some reference's to the law about carrying a knife but not sure about that since it´s not a lethal weapon unless maybe scrathing someone like 100 000 times with a shorth hook

The reason why I am trying to get a permit is so I will be taken more seriously if for example I´m on my way to a locksport meeting and being confronted by the police . If you don´t have visits from the police and houseraids every week you should be fine picking in the privacy of your own home, however if these tools is taken outside your home and you get caught it can cause some awkward situation so in my case I´ll rather be safe then sorry.

[MrRusswarez]

Strange, no specific law about lock picking tools and day can take you under custody for carrying this tools around.
What about screwdrivers and hammers?
Are You trying to get locksmith license?...
And thanks, useful information.

[Ophidian]

Strange, no specific law about lock picking tools and day can take you under custody for carrying this tools around.
What about screwdrivers and hammers?
Are You trying to get locksmith license?...
And thanks, useful information.

I think it´s strange too but I think it´s because it´s not that usual over here with pure picking tools e.g tensioners and small picks, I think burgulars prefer hammers, screwdrivers, crowbars and bolt cutters. Not often I hear about a house or car being picked, they prefer smashing windows or doors. But as I wrote in my last entry, if you´re not in police registry you should be able to talk your way out since only an idiot (according to me) will try to break into a house by picking the door lock which is usually a Assa 700 series SCD. The only reason the can take you under custody is if there is any suspicion that the tools is about to be used in a crime.

Acctually I´ve been thinking about getting a license but now I´m only getting a permit to be in possession of tools. I think it would be interesting and fun to be a on call locksmith and have been looking around for apprentice spots but it´s hard to find

[MrRusswarez]

Do you have difficulty picking ASSA 700
Did ASSA fix this problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvrkLMUiYqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfCVDqpXE2I

[Ophidian]

Do you have difficulty picking ASSA 700
Did ASSA fix this problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvrkLMUiYqM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfCVDqpXE2I

I´ve tried to pick different Assa and managed to get some but others feel impossible right now , think I need more training up until now I´ve picked padlocks of all sorts and just begun exploring cylinders, yesterday picked open my first Schlage cylinder which was easier than I thought. I think I need to work on my tecnique picking Assa since I´m having trouble getting the back pin to shear line, maybe using a vize might help? or what do you think?

I laughed so hard when I first saw that video, they spent a long time and a lot of brain figuring out that lock only to be bypassed by a kid in 2 sec. Apperantly they insisted that the Evo is a very safe lock and the measure they advised all owners to apply was a sheet metal over the gap,

pathetic solution according to me and after the video leaked they withdrew the lock but did not pay back to the customers that bought the lock