How to change the mottura cylinder in this door?

[femurat]

This lock has 2 cylinders, this is the lower one, which has the usual screw as you pointed out earlier.



And this is the upper one, the main lock that moves the bars.
You shouldn't touch the small screw on the right bottom.



This is the only screw to partially undo (5 mm) and push in to release the cylinder.
You don't even need to remove the covers, as I did.



Cheers

[EmCee]

So I had to pay 70 euro black (without the receipt) to the locksmith assistant to came and change the lock

I'm a bit disappointed since I asked them advice on how to remove the cylinder before calling them out.......Now I'm wondering why they didn't told me to do this in the first place

Thanks for giving the follow up - your experience is a good learning tool for all of us...spring loaded retaining screw, eh?

It's still a bit odd though - the position of the screw is nowhere near the upper cylinder so it must work via a system of levers inside?

On the other matter, don't feel bad...remember the difference between a locksmith (trying to earn a living) and a hobbyist. On all forums you'll find locksmiths posting in despair about calls from customers saying, effectively..'I don't want to pay you to do it...just tell me how to do it'. The locksmith will have spent a lot of time and money learning how to do thing, buying tools and stock, getting insurance, paying for the vehicle etc etc...somehow they need to recoup that investment and earn a living. Why would they tell somebody how to do a job and talk themselves out of earning any money?

Cheers...

[femurat]

Sure, there must be a complex mechanism inside to keep the cylinder in place.

I agree with you about the value of knowledge. In fact I went to the locksmith to buy the new cylinder. I thought that selling me that cylinder at 30-40 euro was his reward for telling me something more about that screw. I could go to a diy store and get the same cylinder for 20 euro, or waiting 2 weeks and buy it on ebay for 10 euro.
Anyway he made his choice and earned more. I understand his point of view. I had my cylinder changed without damaging the door, that could have happened to me, so I'm happy too.
I was just hoping for a better deal for both of us, me and him.

Cheers

[femurat]

The cylinder was a mottura C30, 6 dimples, one of them has no spring and the key has a magnet to lift it.
I picked it upside down to avoid the need of a magnetized pick. Now I know this lock is pickable, so I'll try again with the lock on proper position and with a magnet on my pick shaft.

Cheers

[lockpickfan]

Femurat: nice job on the pick! I've picked a half euro from this type, I think it's near the perfect lock .
If you want to pick this lock in the door, you need for a prepaired key, I try to make some photos from mine if you want.

Lockpickfan

[Rickthepick]

Could you make a tension wrench from an old key and leave the magnetized portion in.

This is the way i am tackling the mt5

[femurat]

Thanks for the kind words lockpickfan yes, this is a very well made lock. I'd like to see a photo of your special key when you have time to post it.

Rick, I don't know if a filed down blank could work. the magnet attracts the special pin, but it's stopped at the correct height by the key bittings. in fact the magnet is behind a normal space on the key. I think it could work if there's room behind it to let the pick slip under the magnet and push the pin down at the right depth. I hope my explanation makes sens.

Cheers