Unpickable design

by **Fallen_Pin** » 25 Sep 2004 20:53

Ello 101
The last night I was pondering on unpickable lock designs. A lot of people who have pondered before me all seem to concentrate on making sure the pins are protected from our picks. That probably wont happen. So while meditating on the issue, I took into account locks that were hard to pick all ready, such as the circular ones, and figured the only reason they were so hard to pick is the fact that theres not many places to apply tension. Thus I came up with a little notion that a lock could be designed so that the bottom of the keyhole where we'd normally stick a tension tool in could be a somewhat large, round hole, and the key could be designed with a cylinder on the bottom so the lock can be opened. I'll try to post an image I made in all of 5 seconds in paint to explain my notion.

(Note, I made this in ten or twenty seconds, so puleeez dont flame me on it's crappy quality ^^, also, I'm a complete noob at both picking and designing locks, so criticism will be welcome! Dont worry about hurting my feelings, noobs dont have em)

by **skold** » 25 Sep 2004 21:07

people also use tensioners at the top of the keyway..keep that in mind

by **mcm757207** » 25 Sep 2004 23:22

Yes, you could simply apply tension at the top of keyway and then you would have a TON of nice open space at the bottom to work the pick. It would almost be easier to pick...

by **thertel** » 26 Sep 2004 0:09

I would make a crank tension wrench that i could crank to make it fit really tight against the sides of the circle. other then that I could just go with top tension and use my long hook in that amazingly large hole to set all the pins with the utmost of ease. Plus imagine if you rotate that lock without the key in. The spring and top pins would shoot right out. talk about a whoops.

Thomas

by **Fallen_Pin** » 26 Sep 2004 1:29

Well, there goes my faith in lock designing =^v.v^= Hahaha, well, I'll think of one >=) , theres probably something in this idea that I can re-use..

by **quickpicks** » 26 Sep 2004 11:10

I don't think anyone has come up with an unpickable lock, just ones that take a little more time to manipulate.

by **mcm757207** » 26 Sep 2004 12:12

There is no lock that is impossible to bypass without damaging it, even high-end combination locks and in theory by "picked" by brute forcing the combo (trying every one possible)

by **pointofview** » 26 Sep 2004 15:01

If I were trying to design an unpickable lock, I think I would stay away from the pin tumbler, and go a little more towards an Abloy Disklock type of design...

by **Chucklz** » 26 Sep 2004 15:03

Disk locks can be picked as well, some with shocking rapidity.

by **mcm757207** » 26 Sep 2004 16:34

IMO If i wanted to put really secure locks on my house I would machine my own custom locks- security in obscuriy (sp). Even if it is very easy to pick- you need to know HOW to pick it.

by **Fallen_Pin** » 26 Sep 2004 19:07

Now that's a nifty way of lookin at things mcm =,

by **skold** » 26 Sep 2004 22:43

otherwise, if it were me i would machine the key way, so that it is extremely broached...make lots of key blanks, and then no one has the keyblank for the key way

by **Chucklz** » 26 Sep 2004 23:04

If I was looking for covert entry protection, I would make the lock so as to have no outstanding identifying features. Ie, no brand name, no signature "shapes" Keys would all be neuter bow, etc. All screws would be of the security type. Then I would have some high security mechanism. Its hard to pick when you have a very very hard time doing off site research into the mechanism, or even identity of the lock.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 27 Sep 2004 21:01

no wards?

a little file work and the pins would fall right into that large area

by **DeadlyHunter** » 27 Sep 2004 23:01

security in obscuriy

Hasn't worked for microsoft

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