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[PICS] Help Picking Sargent Lock

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[PICS] Help Picking Sargent Lock

Postby NightStalker23 » 4 Dec 2011 0:21

Hi everyone, I am fairly new to lockpicking. I have done a lot of reading but was wondering:
what is the best way to pick this type of lock? (bump key, manual lock picking, etc)
any information about this type of lock that you know (number of pins, and presence of safety pins?)

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Thanks!
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Re: [PICS] Help Picking Sargent Lock

Postby Evan » 4 Dec 2011 0:51

NightStalker23 wrote:Hi everyone, I am fairly new to lockpicking. I have done a lot of reading but was wondering:
what is the best way to pick this type of lock? (bump key, manual lock picking, etc)
any information about this type of lock that you know (number of pins, and presence of safety pins?)


@NightStalker23:

Well, being new to lockpicking here are some things you should know about that lock:

Factory Restricted keyway = you won't find any bump keys for it...
(want to show us a picture of the other side of the key with the building's blind code and keyway stamped on it)

Commercial door prep = not your door or lock...

Lock in Use = you shouldn't be picking it...

It is a 6-pin lock, you should have been able to look at the key and count them...

There typically aren't security pins in this type of Sargent lock cylinders although they are an available option...

Some friendly advice is to re-read the site rules and new user introduction thread for postings about what this site is all about...

~~ Evan
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Re: [PICS] Help Picking Sargent Lock

Postby wa1ker00 » 4 Dec 2011 11:34

That's not a factory restricted keyway. It's something in the R-series (opposite keyway of LA-LL from the looks of it) of Sargent's standard keyways.
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Re: [PICS] Help Picking Sargent Lock

Postby Evan » 4 Dec 2011 16:24

wa1ker00 wrote:That's not a factory restricted keyway. It's something in the R-series (opposite keyway of LA-LL from the looks of it) of Sargent's standard keyways.


@wa1ker00:

Flat out wrong answer for the following technical reasons:

-- none of the Sargent open keyway families "L", "R", "C", or "H" use the narrow perfectly half-round broaching on the side of the key opposite from the major broaching groove identifying the keyway family...

-- the shape and size of the broaching appearing at the upper edge of the blank is not used in any of the open keyway families...

-- it is not an "H" keyway as it lacks a major broaching groove on both sides of the blank...

-- it is not a "C" keyway as the flat part on the unknown blank does not have any material milled from it at all and the "C" keyways all have a wide shallow milling on the back side of the blank opposite where the major family broaching groove identifying the keyway family is located...

-- it is not an "R" nor an "L" because the broachings on the opposite side from the major family broaching groove in those keyway families are much larger and deeper and not perfectly half-round, also the upper edge broaching on those families continues down the blank to intersect the larger and differently shaped milling whereas on the mystery key example it does not...

~~ Evan
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