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My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby gremtech2002 » 18 Sep 2011 7:28

A thing of beauty :D If i didnt know that these were hand made ones i would swear the were the original keys that would have come with the locks. I envy your talent and artistry. :D
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 18 Sep 2011 17:02

This is the power of our forum, people showing people.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 23 Nov 2011 16:06

This United States Street Letter Box Lock was a great find on Ebay. I got it for $23.00 plus S & H. The lock came without a key, but with my decoder tool (not shown) I was able to use my depth key (made from 1/16 drill bits) to machine a key. I found a safe deposit box key made of nickle silver that works great. All I had to do was shorten the blank and sand the thickness down to .065" from .071". The head of the key also acts as a shoulder. This lock is in great working condition with a nice patina. It's always nice to find one with a working hasp spring too. I could now easily resell this lock for $60.00. But I think this one is a keeper. As usual, my drill press came in handy. I purchased a Dremel high speed cutter number 199 to cut the blank. I used my depth key to translate the depth of the cuts.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 27 Nov 2011 14:39

This 6-lever padlock from Ebay, marked "The Monarch", came with a rusted steel key that worked very poorly and was showing signs of bending. I believe that this was probably not the correct key to begin with. The levers inside showed some significant wear as well. In an effort to make a working key, I decided to make my own. The material came from a 7" replacement scraper blade. This blade is strong and an excellent choice. I took the original key and a brass key and morphed their characteristics. I used a metal scribe and carefully ground the silhouette down to create a blank. The working key was buffed to a nice shine. The exact depth cuts on the key was made by reading the movement of the open lock. The spacing of the cuts was made by the brass dust marks left on the blank while turning the key.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Evan » 27 Nov 2011 19:35

Kudos to Lauren for these latest projects...

Those keys for the push locks look excellent and the key you made for the Monarch lock is very artful...

~~ Evan
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Taemyks » 27 Nov 2011 22:08

Very cool. I've got a lathe, but no mill. I contemplated getting a cross slide vise and a milling bit for the DP, but I was put off of the idea because people told me milling bits and the cross tension could make the chuck dislodge. The use of a dremel saw is genius. The torque on the chuck should be minimal, just gravity and a touch.

What are you using for the vise? Is it a cross slide?
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 28 Nov 2011 1:19

Just a cheap Harbor Freight cross vise and a Rigid Drill press. I like show people how much can be done with so little.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Taemyks » 28 Nov 2011 22:07

Very cool! I'm not above Harbor Freight. My DP is a Delta, but the lathe, clamps, ratchets, bender, roller are HF gear.

Keep up the good work, I'm getting ideas!
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 5 Dec 2011 23:25

Sometimes I like to revisit locks that I have mastered just to refine my key making skills. I decided to purchase this Miller lock marked "Empire" from Ebay without a key to test the material that I used to make a key in my last post (the lock marked "Monarch"). The other reason was to apply the "Dix Pix" tool concept for making a precise cut key. I made my own version of the decoder tool and it certainly saves time. Without this tool a series of tryout keys would have to be cut from the decoding process (discussed in one of my earlier posts on "Champion pancake locks"). Rarely does the first key work perfectly, and so having a tryout tool with adjustable pins makes a lot of sense. Finding a metal rod with the right steel was a challenge alone. The rod was sanded down while spinning small 2" sections in my drill press to a .052 inch diameter. Once the lock is opened, the tool acts like a contour gauge as it is pressed in the key slot against the levers. This allows precise measurements to be taken using the depth gauge end of a dial caliper.

The key blank material worked really well. I like this steel for its strength. I enjoy the ability to make an authentic looking key that is so hard to find blanks of. I know Ilco makes these blanks, but are often out of stock according to my neighborhood locksmith via special order. The trick to making this key is to drill the hole first using a step bit and place a post in the cross slide vise while slowly merging the blank closer to a rotating mini-mill. This is the same technique I use to make my brass barrel keys shown earlier in this tread. I key without concentric geometry on the head just wouldn't look right in my opinion.

As a side note, just after I won this lock on Ebay for $13.38, bids for this lock from another seller were up to $66.00 with a key. This pancake lock marked "Empire" had a dot over the "i" which might make it more valuable. Mine doesn't have the dot. This lock was buffed to shine as well, which is something I don't like. All that buffing and use of Brasso removes brass and often detail is forever lost. I rather have the scratches then the alterations. I got lucky on my lock; the hasp spring was strong and not broken. This is a risk you take on these Miller locks from sellers who don't accept returns. I make it rule not to bid on locks that are of a lot from the seller. They are often collector's rejects.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 13 Dec 2011 14:10

I'm always looking for new challenges and new antique padlocks for my collection. Recently, I bought this Smith & Egge padlock, patented Sept. 4, 1877. This four lever push key padlock is marked "Giant" on the hasp, and I obtained it in the locked position and without a key. This company was known to produce padlocks for postal use, and also was well known for their production of sowing machines. The condition of my lock was excellent. The hasp had slight spring to it in the locked position.The edges of the levers had no sign of wear and they all had strong spring action.

I could find little information about the mechanical workings of this lock. I did find lots of pictures of the Smith & Egge padlocks on Google Images, leading toward the restraints blog. I saw people buying these locks on Ebay in the worst condition, some completely damaged. I concluded that there is a strong desire to learn about the padlock's mechanics.

I knew just a few things about the lock based upon observations and light experimentation. First, the lever stack sweeps counterclockwise, unlike the "Miller" pancake padlocks which sweeps clockwise with the front of the lock as a reference. Second, the levers have a lot of space between them, which might be an advantage for probing material. Third, this lock is really a 4 lever lock with 3 unknown lever depths for purposes of making a key. There will always be one no-cut on the tip of the key. The problem is finding which lever represents the no-cut. Fourth, the levers did not bind while applying tension to the hasp. Fifth, there was no space for the insertion of probe material between the lock body and the hasp. And last, I knew that the levers would lock in place for purposes of making a key once the lock was opened. Most lever locks demonstrate this mechanical behavior.

I went down to a nearby True Value hardware store, and purchased some nicely tempered steel rod with a .063 inch diameter. They sell this stuff in a metal hobby section along with brass and aluminium in a little display case. I cut four equal pieces of the rod to exactly 2 inches long sections. The exact length of 2 inches is not critical, but the four pieces need to be equal length. The lengths were verified with my dial caliper. Lengths were ground down on my bench grinder. The rods were rolled between my fingers to maintain a flat edge.

I took one of the 2 in. wires and began feeling for the movement of the levers. At the time I could feel some slight snagging of the levers at different depths on some of the levers. I dismissed this clue and tried using wire probes like the ones I use for probing the lever stack of "Miller" pancake padlocks. Unfortunately, the Smith & Egge padlock did not probe out in this manner. I felt that I was at me wits end in an effort to make a key for my lock.

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Usually when I get frustrated, I have learned just to walk away from the problem for a while and approach it later with a fresh mind. Later, I began using the 2 inch rods again feeling for the snagging sensation that I observed when I first got the lock. I noticed that with the bottom lever (I call it lever 4) that I could feel a slight snag. I held the rod in position with my fingernail and placed a second rod on the neighboring lever and measured the difference between the two rods using the depth gauge of my dial caliper. The picture below summarizes this.

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I made several tests on one lever, making sure that I was getting consistant results. Sometimes the tip of the rod would bind and slip against the lever giving false sensations. I made tests on lever 3 and got snagging of the lever also. Once I did the measuring of the rod for lever 3, I did the math and married the rods of the calculated separation for lever 3 and 4. I taped the two rods together using black electrical tape. I pushed the two rods together in the key hole, and felt them nest into the lever stack. I knew instantly I was one the right track. While holding the nested pair in the lock, I introduced a third rod on lever 2 and pressed it inward until I got the same nested feeling. This time it was a lot more obvious. While holding all three rods between my fingers, I introduced the fourth rod on lever 1. I slowly pressed it downward, and the lock sprung open. As I predicted the lever stack stayed in a frozen position, making it possible for me to get super accurate reading of the levers for making a key, using the same processes I described in making a key for my pancake lock push key.

I'll post my finished key soon. :D
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 15 Dec 2011 11:15

So, I saw this seller on Ebay the other day get $25.50 for a Smith & Egge padlock like mine, only in horrible condition. In fact, the lock was taken apart and re-stamped in a very non-caring way. The only thing the seller had going for him was the fact that it had an original key. I would have bid on the items, but the price was too steep. I paid $30.00 for my lock and it was in great condition. If I had won the key from the Ebay listing, I could have traced it onto some steel and made a blank for my lock. One benefit that the listing did provide, was a wonderful picture of the key next to the padlock. The picture appeared to be shot directly over the lock and key. I printed a copy of the Ebay listing showing the picture. From the picture and measurements taken from my lock, I came up with a multiplier of 0.77. Using this number, I multiplied to all the needed measurements from the picture of the key.

This is the final result:

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Smith & Egge Padlock with home made key.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 18 Dec 2011 22:16

I couldn't resist the temptation to purchase another locked Smith & Egge padlock without a key. This one cost me $29.00 and I really like the natural patina, so I won't polish it. The chain is a nice feature as well. I thought I would try my picking technique like I did on the last lock; however, my curiosity swayed me to test my first key that I made on my first lock. Wouldn't you know it, the key practically opened the lock. Well, not quite-it pressed all four levers in a semi-locked state inside the keyhole. This is a strong indication that the levers are very close to lining up, allowing the lock to open. While applying tension to the hasp, I pressed some of the levers inward with one of my two inch rods and then the lock opened. What are the odds that these two locks would be so close in their lever arrangement? It turned out, the new lock has three levers identical to my first, and the fourth lever is .020 shallower then the other fourth lever. It would therefore be safe to say that tryout keys can work in aiding opening these locks. My new key works well for this lock. Here's some specifications for making a key (the important numbers anyway): Key thickness: .060, Shoulder to tip length: .667-.673, blade width: .308-.310, Shoulder width: .422. Remember, these are my numbers, not numbers taken from an original key, but they work well.

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Smith & Egge padlock with homemade key
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 25 Dec 2011 17:50

I finally got around to making a key for my "999" antique padlock made by "Miller Lock Co.". This lock turned out to be a single warded lock, not including the cut on the key for the lock body. This lock has three discs retaining the hasp and it reminds my of some of the modern disc retainer locks made today. I used a replacement blade for a lawn edger purchased at the Depot as the metal stock for my key. I figured if it was good enough for that purpose, it certainly would be tempered enough for making a key. This is the first time I have made a key with three holes in the key head. I used washers as my initial templates, which were traced using a scribe. The trick is to drill the holes first before making a blank and locking the drill bit in the vice for a fixed axis. The key came out great. All ward cuts were hand filed due to the temper in the metal.

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Miller's "999" padlock with home key.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 28 Dec 2011 13:56

This Street Letter Box Lock marked, "MV" (Motor Vehicle) has no spring in the hasp, maybe by design. I made this key from a picture on Google images and multiplied all critical dimensions measured from the picture by .83 inch. I even stamped a dimple on the key to denote the correct orientation.

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Street Letter Box Lock with newly made key.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 4 Jan 2012 16:15

This six lever Corbin padlock is the first 6-lever padlock that I have picked, decoded and made key for, without taking the lock apart. I was able to tension the locking mechanism through the back of the key hole and pick the lock. Placing the tension tool in a vise while rotating the lock counterclockwise was very helpful. Once the lock was under tension, I picked each lever. The method worked really well. The tension tool was made from a scraper blade, making it a strong material of choice. After the lever stack was locked in place with the lock opened, I decoded each lever with L-shaped wires taking measurements for making a key. The key was made from hardened steel and was really difficult to drill holes into. This key is strong and will be able to take a lot of abuse. I used a .050 thick jeweler's file to make the key cuts.

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Corbin 6-Lever with homemade flat key.
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