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MACS for CISA TSP

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MACS for CISA TSP

Postby bethelock » 14 Jan 2012 10:05

Anyone know what MACS is for a CISA TSP?
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Re: MACS for CISA TSP

Postby gloves » 15 Jan 2012 11:06

As of now only this locksmith company comes into my mind. Not sure if that's what you were looking for, if you add a bit more context surely somebody on here will help you :D
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Re: MACS for CISA TSP

Postby keysman » 15 Jan 2012 12:02

MACS stands for Maximum Adjacent Cut Specification




http://lockwiki.com/index.php/MACS
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Re: MACS for CISA TSP

Postby MacGyver101 » 15 Jan 2012 12:43

gloves wrote:As of now only this locksmith company comes into my mind. Not sure if that's what you were looking for, if you add a bit more context surely somebody on here will help you :D

I think bethelock was looking for information on how the key cuts can be arranged for that particular lock; MACS stands for Maximum Adjacent Cut Specification... it's a limit that the manufacturer specifies, and it defines the maximum "difference" that you're allowed between two adjacent cuts on a key.

For example, if you have a lock with a MACS of 5, then a key cut to depths of 16161 would be fine: the distance between the "peaks" (the #1 cuts) and the "valleys" (the #6 cuts) is shallow enough. If violate MACS for that particular lock, though, and you try to cut the key to 19191 (which has a difference of "8" between adjacent cuts) then either of two things might be true: (i) the slope on the key cuts may be too steep for the pins to slide over easily, and it may be very hard to insert/remove the key; and/or, (ii) the angle of the cut might be too steep, and the deep cuts might remove too much material for the shallower cuts to be even possible. (I put together a quick diagram that shows this second problem, below: the two deep cuts have removed too much of the key blade for cuts in the "red" area to even be possible.)

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Ha... sorry, I see keysman replied while I was typing this and messing about in Photoshop. Well, what he said too. :lol:

@bethelock: I'm sorry... I've had a look through my various Depth/Spacing guides, and the closest I have for this lock is CISA's Keying Components catalog, which doesn't list any MACS spec. :?
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Re: MACS for CISA TSP

Postby bethelock » 15 Jan 2012 12:48

Thanks for everyone's help/input. I have looked through all the literature I could find with no luck in terms of MACS for the TSP. Which is why I put it out in the forum... Just hoping one of you guys/gals might have some experience/info that I don't.
Again, Many thanks!!
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