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by Daggers » 25 Feb 2012 11:32
I came up with an idea for a high security lock and am starting a business that sells it. Or will be licensing the patent. Either way, i need a company name. It's harder than I thought to come up with a good name so what's a good name for that type of company?
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by Squelchtone » 25 Feb 2012 12:44
Are you just joking? You started picking your bedroom door on Dec 4th 2011 with paperclips, and today, 90 days later you're starting a high security lock company? Forgive me if I am a bit dubious... but either you're an engineer who acted like a teenager who doesn't know how to pick locks and used this forum to hone your ideas, or you're a savant and went from paper clips to high security lock patents overnight... care to enlighten us? Take no offense, this is just highly .. irregular. Squelchtone
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by Daggers » 25 Feb 2012 13:34
I got interested in lock picking and didn't know how so i started with paper clips. I found info on how to actually doing it and made lockpicks with windshield wiper and got pretty good at it to the point of being able to pick a four pinned medeco biaxial. I learn pretty fast  but then i really studied the different type of locks and came up with an idea for a high security lock. It doesn't take much to be able to come up with an idea do that except for knowledge of inner lock workings (easy to find info on that) and imagination. But to come up with a really good idea it takes imagination which i have. Not to brag but, i would say im smarter than your average teenager. lol that sounds pretty cocky but in all honesty it's true.
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by Squelchtone » 25 Feb 2012 13:46
Cool man, I was just curious. It's always good to have a prodigy in our wings, so don't sell yourself short. Wish you the best with your project, hope you share some sample locks with the lp101 crowd once they are available.
Best of luck in your project! Squelchtone
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by Daggers » 25 Feb 2012 13:58
I was actually planning on licensing the patent. That means I wouldn't actually have the rights to make the lock. But as for testing the design soon, I'll be having some select members on here and keypicking test it for me. But once the money comes in, i'll probably buy some of my own locks from the company that i license it to and give them to people who helped me along the way.
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by unjust » 25 Feb 2012 15:43
naming.... well i always joking suggest "fluffy" for everything but i'd go with something that involves strength or integrity. kick around ideas like obsidian or granite or the like. (iirc granite is taken) realistically if you're' going to license the patent, you don't need to name it, the company who produces it will name it in a way that fits with their branding.
depending on what you're pondering for demo pieces, there are a few of us kicking around with access to machine shops that may be willing to do a prototype, but i'm sure you won't have any trouble finding folks on here to test bypass and destructive vulnerabilities.
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by Evan » 25 Feb 2012 15:45
Daggers wrote:I was actually planning on licensing the patent. That means I wouldn't actually have the rights to make the lock. But as for testing the design soon, I'll be having some select members on here and keypicking test it for me. But once the money comes in, i'll probably buy some of my own locks from the company that i license it to and give them to people who helped me along the way.
@Daggers: Not for nothing, and certainly nothing against the members here or on keypicking, but if you want to "market" a design for a "high security" lock you will want to have it meet or exceed UL-437 standards which involves being tested by the persons selected by Underwriter's Laboratories... Not many companies, large or small, would be interested in licensing a lock design which has not achieved that certification... Just something for you to consider, as production samples in final materials cost quite a bit and so do the application fees for the UL-437 testing... ~~ Evan
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by Daggers » 25 Feb 2012 16:17
It's not the whole lock i'm patenting. I'm patenting the unpickable part. So testing it wouldn't do much here.
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by loganism » 25 Feb 2012 17:29
God-Lock or Omega-Core or Mondo-Lock or Rock-Lock or InpenaCore or PickNot or PicKnot, or FrustrateCore Lock. Idk but I had fun coming up with these 
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by Evan » 25 Feb 2012 21:10
Daggers wrote:It's not the whole lock i'm patenting. I'm patenting the unpickable part. So testing it wouldn't do much here.
@Daggers: So you are going after a utility patent on some design aspect ? Umm... Not for nothing but an incomplete design is an incomplete design and not worth as much to a licensee... ~~ Evan
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by Daggers » 26 Feb 2012 12:02
Evan wrote:Daggers wrote:It's not the whole lock i'm patenting. I'm patenting the unpickable part. So testing it wouldn't do much here.
@Daggers: So you are going after a utility patent on some design aspect ? Umm... Not for nothing but an incomplete design is an incomplete design and not worth as much to a licensee... ~~ Evan
what do you mean an incomplete design?
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by Evan » 26 Feb 2012 23:23
Daggers wrote:Evan wrote:Daggers wrote:It's not the whole lock i'm patenting. I'm patenting the unpickable part. So testing it wouldn't do much here.
@Daggers: So you are going after a utility patent on some design aspect ? Umm... Not for nothing but an incomplete design is an incomplete design and not worth as much to a licensee... ~~ Evan
what do you mean an incomplete design?
You said the design is for a specific aspect of the cylinder... That would be incomplete... A whole cylinder would be a complete unit, including keyway... ~~ Evan
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by Daggers » 27 Feb 2012 15:04
yeah but i'm not patenting the whole thing. just my part of it.
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by Squelchtone » 27 Feb 2012 16:16
Daggers wrote:yeah but i'm not patenting the whole thing. just my part of it.
Just remember, no matter how new or fresh or novel your idea is, there's probably a 1930's patent of it already on file. From 1850 to 2012 there have been a ton of awesome lock ideas, most of which have fallen by the way side, because they were either too expensive to make or just too wacky to actually work. Some of them actually made it into production and some are even in use today. I hate to say it but most good ideas have already been thought of, and if you think of something, someone else has already thought of it. But if your idea is a good one, then you should check out LegalZoom.com to form an LLC and file a utility patent or at least a non provisional patent application here: http://www.legalzoom.com/trademarks-pat ... rview.htmlCan you tell us if your idea is new or if it improves upon a well established lock mechanism such as Medeco, Abloy, Schlage Primus, or Mul-T-Lock? Thanks, Squelchtone
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by Daggers » 27 Feb 2012 17:42
I don't think i need to form an LLC. That's good if i get sued though. The idea is a new one.
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