Need help with Abloy 362 protec

[spidersilva]

Decided to disassemble this beast today and so far it's PITA
Already disassembled many Abloy padlocks before which usually very easy the cylinder with the disc stack just fall out like butter after you release the screw , but this one is totally different beast with the cylinder being loaded from the top
Unlocked , released shackle , unscrewed the VERY LONG 2.5 hex screw , unscrewed and took of the cap , took of the piece that control the balls , took out the balls themselves , but the how the heck do I release the cylinder itself ?
That SOB is just stuck in there and wouldn't budge no matter what

Abloy experts - Please help a brother to figure out how to remove this son of a , please

[gloves]

Abloy locks fall in the high security category so, as good as your intentions may be, I doubt somebody will enlighten you on this subject in the open forums with info which could easily be translated into drilling and bypassing.

Cheers

[spidersilva]

Abloy locks fall in the high security category so, as good as your intentions may be, I doubt somebody will enlighten you on this subject in the open forums with info which could easily be translated into drilling and bypassing.

Cheers

Hi
I got be real here - I'm a new member , but a reader on this forums for quite a long time , and this so called open\advanced forum elitism is pretty ridicules
As for you , I'm sure you trying to be a "good" advanced member here too by acting like you can't answer my question when in fact you obviously don't know the answer or heck know nothing about how this padlocks actually work when you posting bull like this "info which could easily be translated into drilling and bypassing" , that's simply crap .

[spidersilva]

Anyway , I already opened the sucker , I will post photos of the sucker fully disassembled later so no here can doubt my "intentions" , lol

[MacGnG1]

uh, disassembly IS NOT advanced. discussing drilling points would be advanced.

come on guys stop being ridiculous....

[mitch.capper]

Ok so PL362s are a PITA to say the least. Taking them apart was a bigger pain than assembling them for a long time for us. Its a C ring clip (http://www.fitnessrepairparts.com/produ ... 924_sm.jpg) down there. The problem (aside from needing C ring pliers) is its so far down. We get some from europe that work well but did require some custom grinding. You could try with other things but its a real pain. If you do get it to pop up a bit you can sometimes use a long strong flat head to try and pry and pull it out.

Putting it in is easier. You can just use a flat head during re-insert to push it all down.

Aside from that keep in mind actually loading the cylinder back in is a PITA. You have the anti drill plate sitting on top of the disk pack with the sidebar and the rotational limiter which all have to stay correct to get it all the way back in.

The PL362s are certainly not for the faint of heart GL:)

[spidersilva]

Frikkin A man , it was indeed that C clip , and it was indeed a REAL bittch
I actually figured that out by looking at some nice cutaway photo of the 362 that I found in google images
It will be a really long time until I will try to put it back , I'm gonna play with the cylinder for awhile


And here is a small tip for any one who is in the market for high security padlock and debating on the Abloy models - go with the 362 without any doubt whatsoever
You may think by looking at the specifications that it's a 350 with 1mm thicker shackle and high body , but it's way more then that
The 350 is like a toy comparing to the 362

uh, disassembly IS NOT advanced. discussing drilling points would be advanced.

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Drilling shouldn't be advanced either , it's easily and by far the most basic and primitive way possible to defeat these padlocks , and the "drilling points" are very obvious as well
And good luck drilling this specific padlock , it will be nightmare , regardless if you choose to drill the cylinder\sidebar , or through the shackle into the retaining hex screw

[Squelchtone]

uh, disassembly IS NOT advanced. discussing drilling points would be advanced.

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Drilling shouldn't be advanced either , it's easily and by far the most basic and primitive way possible to defeat these padlocks , and the "drilling points" are very obvious as well
And good luck drilling this specific padlock , it will be nightmare , regardless if you choose to drill the cylinder\sidebar , or through the shackle into the retaining hex screw

Drill points are obvious to YOU because you already took the lock apart and learned it inside out. It would be very irresponsible to post the drilling or other destructive entry details in public forum for anyone with Google to search for it down the road and use it for bad. Going with your logic and pissyness about how elite the Advanced forums are just because you're sour not to have access to it, perhaps we should make safe cracking and the drill points for most popular gun safes also available in the public arena? What's the harm right?


Squelchtone

[spidersilva]

uh, disassembly IS NOT advanced. discussing drilling points would be advanced.

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Drilling shouldn't be advanced either , it's easily and by far the most basic and primitive way possible to defeat these padlocks , and the "drilling points" are very obvious as well
And good luck drilling this specific padlock , it will be nightmare , regardless if you choose to drill the cylinder\sidebar , or through the shackle into the retaining hex screw

Drill points are obvious to YOU because you already took the lock apart and learned it inside out. It would be very irresponsible to post the drilling or other destructive entry details in public forum for anyone with Google to search for it down the road and use it for bad. Going with your logic and pissyness about how elite the Advanced forums are just because you're sour not to have access to it, perhaps we should make safe cracking and the drill points for most popular gun safes also available in the public arena? What's the harm right?


Squelchtone

Pretty funny to see a "moderator" throwing an hissy fit and responding like that
"Drill points" are obvious to anyone with half a brain and an internet access who is willing to invest an hour of his time to learn how this very secure , and yet extremely locks are working
This ain't a rocket science or national top secrets , get off your high horse

As far as the great "advanced forums" access , man , I literally couldn't give less crap about it , especially when it's seems like most members who have access to it got it by sucking the you know what rather then actually being advanced with their knowledge or experience
It really seems like good posters with actual knowledge and experience like "mitch.capper" (thanks brother) are few and far between in these forums and most are in fact just an elitist clowns

[MacGyver101]

It really seems like good posters with actual knowledge and experience like "mitch.capper" (thanks brother) are few and far between in these forums and most are in fact just an elitist clowns

...and anyone else who might help you in the future just resolved never to, given your attitude.

Seriously: why would you come into a new web community and start by calling people "crap" and insulting their rules?

[Legion303]

spidersilva : the thing about Mitch is, he's not going to put up with your antics either. Good luck getting straight answers from anyone from now on.

gloves, please leave modding to the moderators. I know you mean well, but we're the ones who make, modify and enforce the rules. There's no need to post informing other people; just use the report button if you think it's not allowed in the open. FWIW, disassembly has always been allowed.

-steve

[spidersilva]

It really seems like good posters with actual knowledge and experience like "mitch.capper" (thanks brother) are few and far between in these forums and most are in fact just an elitist clowns

Seriously: why would you come into a new web community and start by calling people "crap" and insulting their rules?

I did not insulted any rules , and I didn't called no one here crap , I called the "drilling and bypassing" BS crap , because that's exactly what it is - crap

spidersilva : the thing about Mitch is, he's not going to put up with your antics either. Good luck getting straight answers from anyone from now on.

"Antics" ??? what exactly are you smoking ?
I don't know who exactly Mitch is , but I know one thing , he is the only here who actually responded to my question accurately , in respectful manner without any snob attitude , which I appreciated very much even though I managed to perform the "top secret - advanced" surgery on this padlock before reading his answer

As for getting answer in the future , don't worry , I will get the job done with or without your answers , thanks to great people like han fey that gladly share their legitimately VERY advanced knowledge without acting like rude prima donnas

[Squelchtone]

I like how you can spout off about things that bother you, but if we call you out on things, we're the big a-holes.. I've seen your type before. many times on here.. can criticize but can't take any criticism because you get all offended.

Locking this topic up, nobody want to hear your acidic comments. You have 0 respect or manners coming into this community like some know it all big shot who's figured out everything in 1 day.

ps. Mitch is a good friend in real life to a lot of us who replied to your comment. He's one of the most successful Abloy dealers in the country, and we defer to his expertise on the technical matters. Mitch and Han are also friends, and Han is friends with most of us as well, but we're not elite, we just dont like punks coming up telling us our business in the guise of a question.

learn some manners, nobody likes an internet tough guy d-bag.
Squelchtone

[Legion303]

GD newbies will be the death of me.

-steve