Identifying Lock types, designations...? Please read.

[Anavaree]

I have no idea how to search for this subject seeing as I have no idea what these numbers are called.
I am attempting to order replacement locks and locksets for my house and I am probably going to use HL Flake for my materials. I have scanned in a couple of pages from my catalog and I don’t know what these numbers mean. I have seen them before but I have never been able to find out how they associate to each other.

On this page you can see both the Schlage and the Arrow hardware, indicated by the pink and blue sticky notes, have options listed above them in the form of numbers. 606, 626, 605/609/625, US3/26D, etc... What do these represent.


Now on the next page I can see a mortise cylinder with the designation 626 and a profile cylinder as 26D. Now, in reference to page 13, the blue sticky note, that hardware is KIK/KIL. There are of course many other options, but this should be enough to demonstrate my question.


If I want to order parts, how do I know what parts to order? If I want a nice Antique Bronze lockset from Lowes, how do I know what kind of cylinder to order? I am planning on using Everest cylinders, how do I know which to order?
Anyways, I am guessing one of you out there will know what I am asking.
Thanks,
~Jesse

[keysman]

here is a list of finishes
http://www.builders-hardware.com/files/ ... 0Chart.pdf

Antique Bronze? Try 613 or US10b

you are showing a classroom lock (70 function) you probably want an entry (53) or store room function(80)
If you order Schlage they should come with Everest cylinders standard ( check before ordering ) other wise you can just order the cylinders .. they will come in 626 ( silver) or 606 (brass)

[Anavaree]

So these are finishes, not formats or shapes or types?

If so, then if I want to order the Schlage Plymouth Entrance lockset, PN A53PD on page 13 below the blue sticky note, how do I know what Everest cylinder I should order? just any Everest KIK cylinder? Could I also order any sort of KIK from say... arrow, or Kwikset or whoever and it would fit?

Thanks for that list by the way, Keysman, really good.

[keysman]

So these are finishes, not formats or shapes or types?

Yes

If so, then if I want to order the Schlage Plymouth Entrance lockset, PN A53PD on page 13 below the blue sticky note, how do I know what Everest cylinder I should order?

AFIK Schlage ships only Everest with commercial grade locks "A" or" D"( unless special order) better check that and make sure.

just any Everest KIK cylinder? Could I also order any sort of KIK from say... arrow, or Kwikset or whoever and it would fit?

make sure it fits schlage KIK... there are lots of after market Manufacturers. they should say on the package what they will fit. Some factory cylinders may be interchangable.

[2octops]

Are you a locksmith? If not, how are you ordering from Flake?

[Anavaree]

I am working as a locksmith, for the most part i have been doing only lock outs and rekeying and the likes.
I am trying to get into installation and i want to be able to order custom, complete sets from suppliers.

[cledry]

I am working as a locksmith, for the most part i have been doing only lock outs and rekeying and the likes.
I am trying to get into installation and i want to be able to order custom, complete sets from suppliers.

Surely if you are a locksmith you would know the various finishes and numbers that correspond. That is very basic beginner stuff.

Likewise you should probably already know that the Kwikset lock will not accept a standard 6 pin KIK cylinder. The Arrow ball knob will however. The Arrow is a very cost effective alternative to the Schlage A series, but you will have the added expense of the cylinder.

[Anavaree]

When you don't do installation and all the business you have been involved in is lockouts then there has been very little necessity for me to learn many of the other details of the business.
I never said I am the master and unquestioned authority for locksmithing in my area. I simply stated that I am working under some of the basic duties of a locksmith.
I have been trying to get in with the major locksmith in my area but they are very tight and mostly unwilling to have me tagging along. I have been talking to their purchasing manager but he is very busy. Therefore, I am trying to turn to the more experianced and knowledgeable people here, at LP101.

So, short answer, no need to be so condescending about it, cledry.

Thank you to the rest of you who have been kind enough to help.

[keysman]

Take a look at different manufacturers web sites, there will be catalogs, and tons of literature to get you started.
http://w3.securitytechnologies.com/Prod ... fault.aspx
Is the Schlage IR site …

[Anavaree]

Thanks Keysman,
I have been collecting manuals and tech sheets for months, its the only thing I read. We use Schlage AL hardware at work and I have been doing the repair work on those. Thanks for the link. I can always use more information.

[cledry]

When you don't do installation and all the business you have been involved in is lockouts then there has been very little necessity for me to learn many of the other details of the business.
I never said I am the master and unquestioned authority for locksmithing in my area. I simply stated that I am working under some of the basic duties of a locksmith.
I have been trying to get in with the major locksmith in my area but they are very tight and mostly unwilling to have me tagging along. I have been talking to their purchasing manager but he is very busy. Therefore, I am trying to turn to the more experianced and knowledgeable people here, at LP101.

So, short answer, no need to be so condescending about it, cledry.

Thank you to the rest of you who have been kind enough to help.

Sorry about that. When you said you were a locksmith I took it to literally mean that you were a locksmith.

[Anavaree]

And there we go with the condescending attitude again. Are you capable of commenting without sounding like you're looking down your nose at someone?

Is there an exact definition of what makes a person a locksmith? I can perform a variety of lock related skills that other, less skilled or knowledgeable people, cannot perform. True, I am not completely versed in all of the mysterious arts of the professional locksmith but a person must start somewhere.
I have been working enough to earn a supplement to my normal income and I have not yet had to tell a customer that I am unable to perform the job they were calling me about. Well, there was this one girl who called and asked me to open her boyfriends truck while he was at work, but I turned that down due to legalities, of course.

P.S. And that rhetorical question I asked above... is there actually a firm, exact definition about what makes a person a locksmith? I actually would like to know, now that I think about it.

I would like to use this forum as a knowledge base, not someplace to be poked fun at by others who believe you are beneath them.
~Jesse

[Anavaree]

While wandering around Kroger I got to thinking, perhaps I should apologize for my own attitude in the last post.
If I am coming off a little defensive I can only say that it stems from latent insecurities I have from the fact that I know that my knowledge base is lacking. I know that I am not what most people would call a locksmith, however, i have been performing duties in the field of and recognized as, locksmithing. Perhaps I have not yet earned the actual title as of yet, but that does not change the fact that that's what my business license says, what my taxes are filed as and what service industry my services fall under in the phone book.
Having someone, as someone posting above, make it sound like i am simply playing at this brings some of these insecurities to light.
I am not sure if you all understand what I am saying, but I do apologize for any hostile or defensive attitude which i may have exhibited above.
I have come to rely on this site and the people within for much of my knowledge and skill that I do possess, and I in no way want to harm my relationship with all of you.
~Jesse

[2octops]

In other words, you are a trainee learning the locksmith business.

There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone has to start out somewhere.

You have to look at it from the other side though. If you had spent many, many years learning and practicing the trade and mastering different aspects of it then you would be proud of your title as a professional locksmith. Then to hear someone that only knows how to unlock cars (anybody with a long reach tool can do this with very minimal training, just ask a wrecker driver) come along and call themselves a locksmith while asking elementary questions about color codes and part numbers....frankly it kinda cheeses you off to say the least.

We run into these people every day in the field and have to follow behind them fixing what they messed up while trying to learn on the job. They give the industry a bad name and make us all appear to be glorified handymen that work out of the trunk of our car with dirty jeans and a t-shirt as a uniform.

Personally I like to see people get into the industry. It's a good career and has provided very well for my family and the family of many others that I know. The only reason I am on this site is because I like helping people that have questions about a subject that I happen to know a great deal about.

I am proud to call myself a professional locksmith. Please refrain from doing the same until you at least learn the basics.

[Anavaree]

2octops,

I completly understand what you are saying. I was never trying to claim to be something that I am not. I am, however working in this field. How am I to refer to myself?
I will however, not refer to myself as a "locksmith" in the future. I never meant to insult anybody. Thanks for your understanding.