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Locks with horizontal keyways

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Locks with horizontal keyways

Postby pointofview » 31 Oct 2003 2:47

I have an interesting question...

It is my understanding that mushroom and spool pins use gravity to foil lockpickers. I'm under the impression that unless the key pin is picked in a perfect upwards motion, a mushroom or spool pin can catch and bind before clearing the shear line.

That being said (and assuming I'm right), does that mean that if I came across a lock where the keyway is oriented horizontally (lever-handle) instead of vertically (traditional), it couldn't have a mushroom or spool pin? I'm thinking that if it did, the mushroom/spool pin could bind even with the proper key.

It is however very possible that I have a demented view on the workings of mushroom and spool pins.

Anyone know the answer?
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Postby Varjeal » 31 Oct 2003 9:56

Thanks for the post. And your understanding isn't demented, just slightly askew. ;)

Mushroom/spool/serrated pins do not react on gravity as much as you may think, since there is constant spring pressure involved. What they do react on is the tension applied to the plug when picking.

As the pick is lifting the pin stack and pressure applied, as soon as the mushroom or spool pin clears the top of the plug, it will begin to tilt to one side or the other and jam across the shearline. The more that tension is applied, the more quickly this will occur.

This is the reason that when picking a lock that has these pins in it that it makes it extremely important to have the right amount of tension.

A horizontl keyway, such as that found in a lever handle lock, could potentially make it even more difficult as the mushroom or spool pin will have more of a tendency to "fall" and this is where your gravity portion is partially correct.

The proper key, as opposed to a pick, will not cause problems since it brings all the pins up to the shear line and can hold them all there while the key is being turned.

I hope that's clear enough.
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Postby pointofview » 31 Oct 2003 10:54

Thanks! I suppose the answer I was looking for was "There is no way the lever lock you are attempting to pick has mushroom or spool pins", but I suppose I'll live.
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Postby Varjeal » 31 Oct 2003 11:09

I guess I should've asked, "Do you want the truth or do you want me to lie to make you feel good?" ;)

Hehehe...yeah, I remember when I first started out. I was having lots of trouble getting the technique down, then my dad walks up behind me one day and says, "here, rekey this lock, I've got to deliver it in an hour." So I went to rekey it and accidentally dumped the top pins and springs, and that's when I was first introduced to spool pins. I asked my dad if they were defective or something. He just smiled slyly and said. "Nope."

:shock: :cry: 8)
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