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Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

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Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby MarkMcGrath » 24 Jul 2012 8:50

Basically the question is in the title. I have been reading books, and other info floating around. No one has given a defiant answer. I am currently working with the learn lockpicking lock (brew your own lock anytime you want which is nice), and have been trying to get the feel of the pins with the hook from a 9 piece HPC(specifics and photos to come). Would it be smarter to work with a half dimond instead to get feel? I will post what came in the kit, what I got from serepick.com \and probably butter up Raimundo again, even though I don't get anything directly from him. It is nice to be learning the single picking but man raking was so much more fluid for me. Also I will never buy a non-bogota rake ever unless someone comes out with something new. :mrgreen:
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Re: Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby cyrano138 » 24 Jul 2012 9:22

It seems to be largely a matter of personal preference, though people seem to rely heavily on the hook in most cases. The advantage of the diamond over the hook is that you can use the front slope of the diamond to push forward, lifting the pin evenly and smoothly, which helps in some locks. I've never needed to use one (a diamond), but I'm only a beginner myself.
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Re: Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby Solomon » 24 Jul 2012 22:17

No one has given a definite answer because there isn't one. It's personal preference. :)

The half diamond can move in and out smoothly without getting caught, making it better for working back and forth over the pins with light tension until the lock opens. This is why it's favoured by a lot of beginners. You might start out differently though, wanting to really feel everything properly as you go along... in which case you're better going with the hook. The diamond is generally used for haphazard picking and is especially useful for quickly scrubbing or rocking the lock into false set and picking out the spools for a quick entry - it doesn't always have enough reach to get the job done but for the most part it's a reliable technique. That was my experience starting out, anyway.

You can SPP a lock properly with a half diamond, there's nothing wrong with it in terms of feedback and the ability to move smoothly in and out without getting caught is obviously a good thing. On the downside, it doesn't have the same reach as a short hook. You can't angle a diamond the same way as the outer ramp can disturb pins behind the one you're working on. Besides, a hook won't get caught as you work it in towards the back anyway, providing you have good pick control and tension it properly.

So, the short hook is better in my opinion. A diamond is easier for picking dimple locks in a pinch if you don't have a dedicated set available though, which is a big plus. And it can be handy for smaller padlocks when they're being stubborn and not offering much in the way of feedback. The bottom line? Use what you're comfortable with. It really depends on your picking style, but in some situations, one can be better than the other. That's where experience comes in. :mrgreen:
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Re: Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby MBI » 25 Jul 2012 1:05

When I started picking, I was partial to the half diamond. Over the years, my preference shifted to hooks of various lengths and curvatures. I just seemed to pick better with them, and maneuver better in tight keyways. I still use half diamonds occasionally though.
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Re: Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby edsmiley » 26 Jul 2012 19:07

Schuyler Towne has some good video describing how to use each one. I think you can use each however you want to use it, as long as it accomplishes what you want. Check out his videos though, great descriptions.

Hooks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSqqMKeRaDA

Half-diamonds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNKvPS1ac6E

Hope this helps,
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Re: Hook vs Hlaf dimond for novice single pin picking

Postby Buzo » 28 Jul 2012 10:28

I started picking with a home made half diamond pick and did fairly well with some padlocks and even some door knobs and deadbolts. However, when I got to some of the more difficult 6 pin locks I could not get them open because of some of the high-low bitting in them. I then took to the hook and have since used that for most of my picking. I still enjoy uding the half diamond on occasion just for kicks and to proove to myself I can still do it. :D
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