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Why one rake over another?

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Why one rake over another?

Postby dauce » 25 Jul 2012 9:09

I've made some progress in my skill lately - I've successfully used two different rakes in the 'snapping' technique to open a Masterlock No. 3.

Very effective - but why would one choose a specific rake over another?

Thanks,

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Re: Why one rake over another?

Postby Solomon » 25 Jul 2012 10:24

Different patterns for simulating different bittings, pretty much. Most locks, if rakeable, will rake with a variety of tools so it doesn't really matter. You can use a city rake, snake rake or even half diamond to much the same effect and it doesn't make much difference in terms of time taken either. So in most cases it's personal preference, although some locks are more picky (no pun intended).

For example, if the lock has a dramatic high-low bitting, a city rake won't be able to set all pins. A bogota, on the other hand, will be more likely to succeed. If it has an even or stair step bitting, a city rake or snake rake will work much the same way although in some instances the snake will be more reliable (ie. the lock has a couple of dramatically deeper setting pins grouped together in the middle or towards the back). The traditional snake is also more suitable for padlocks with smaller keyways.

I have an ASSA 600 cylinder here with a stair step bitting which won't rake open with the city rake, although the "W" rake will jiggle it open pretty quickly. You just have to experiment. If you have a good feel for what you're doing you can tell if it's going to rake open, and if you decide to play around with various rakes, you'll probably find one that'll do the job before long. Can't beat the trusty hook pick though :D
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Re: Why one rake over another?

Postby dauce » 25 Jul 2012 14:19

Thank you Solomon for the in-depth reply. Exactly what I was looking for!

I am begining to learn that the hook is the most reliable (with appropriate skill). Thanks much:)
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Re: Why one rake over another?

Postby MarkMcGrath » 25 Jul 2012 22:58

Deep down I know logically single picking is by far the more versitile and logical progression. The last bit of ironious human emotion in me though forces me to love my first more though. Raking to me is the end all to fast, and stressful situations. Soloman gave a great explination, but I would like to add some. I love rakes, and I have in the last few days grown fond of HPC picks, but!.... Raimundo and his very well polished picks rake so much more cleanly then many of the other pics. I guess that isn't as much a issue with single pin picking, but to me it seems like a rake this far more a necessity. Now you can polish your favorite pick with very fine grit sandpaper, and a polishing rag. I recommend this a great deal.
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Re: Why one rake over another?

Postby dauce » 26 Jul 2012 11:06

I am new here and would like to hear more about this Raimundo. Does he/she sell picks?

Or is it just templates? Regardless, I am interested in the pick/rake hybrid.

Thanks for sharing,
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Re: Why one rake over another?

Postby Squelchtone » 26 Jul 2012 13:20

dauce wrote:I am new here and would like to hear more about this Raimundo. Does he/she sell picks?

Or is it just templates? Regardless, I am interested in the pick/rake hybrid.

Thanks for sharing,



Please just browse the forums, if you go to Lockpicks - Manual sub forum, one of the stickies at the top is about Raimundo's famous Bogota rakes. He makes them by hand out of street sweeper bristle. A friend on here bought me a set for my birthday a few years ago and they're in my wallet right now.

Some lock pick companies have borrowed his pick shape and are using it on their picks these days, but they don't call them Bogotas, they call them triple hump or something like that.

If you Search for Bogota you will find lots of good info

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