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Manifoil

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Do not post safe related questions in this sub forum! Post them in This Old Safe

The sub forum you are currently in is for asking Beginner Hobby Lock Picking questions only.

Manifoil

Postby Panserv » 8 Aug 2012 9:59

This is my first post and perhaps a little out of topic for this forum.
Locks are not my profession ( Communications Electronics) but I love technical challenges and have messed about with locks for years.
I have a close friend who is a surplus dealer. He buys equipment and machinery from Gov surplus sources. Occasionally he asks me to solve or unravel some mysterious gizmo and I admit I am usually very keen to take him up.
Some weeks ago, along with other stuff, he bought 3 large Safes and some small sheet metal boxes all using the Manifoil MK4 combination lock from Ramco UK.
The small boxes all were set with the usual factory combinations, 40, 50, 60 etc, but the huge metal safes would not respond to any set of the usual numbers.
In this part of the world, Malta, locksmiths are not …er thick on the ground, so lets just leave this option out for the moment.
I have a few basic questions.
Am I dreaming deep if I were to consider:
1) Drilling the lock from the dial, insert and view disk/gate interaction by borescope (have one). I took the back cover of a Manifoil lock and believe I can make out a good drill point ( or what appears to me the ONLY suitable point).

2) Drill the back or side of the safe, and tackle the lock from the rear.
To my mind this is fraught with failure potential : Have no idea about the safes internal architecture and wall construction etc. Also I am assuming one has to read or re-set the lock via a less than ideal opening.

3) Ok this is where things get weird ( and interesting :-) .
I opened one of the small sheet metal boxes, 40,50,60, 25 easy.
On a whim, I pushed the bolt gently with a bit of pressure while turning the dial…..
after which all attempts to unlock using the same combination failed !!!
Is this normal ? The lock itself looks practically new and very little used.

I know this post is a little long winded, but could not find a more concise way of explaining the state of things.
I invite more expert comments.
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Re: Manifoil

Postby MBI » 8 Aug 2012 10:16

Welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately, the site rules prohibit discussion of methods of opening safes outside the advanced forum. (Rule 19)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=715
Here are the requirements for access to the advanced forums.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2474
If hiring a local safe and vault technician is not an option for you, if this topic truly interests you, perhaps you can stick around a while and particpate on the forum until such time that you can apply for advanced access.
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Re: Manifoil

Postby Panserv » 8 Aug 2012 10:24

Ok understood.
Actually I felt a little cagey about the whole idea, myself being a newbie.
Assuming the owner allows me to proceed and I get er..cracking I might photograph and document the process and attempts. Is it ok for me to post whatever happens on some "open" forum?
Just asking.
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Re: Manifoil

Postby atticRR » 8 Aug 2012 10:38

posting the outcome should be OK. posting methods you used to open, not OK. we do this so that anyone who wants the info to commit a crime cannot do a google search and get their info from our site. we all pride ourselves on being responsible with the information and experience we have and strive to keep it out of the hands of people who could give us a bad name.

It sounds like an interesting challenge you have before you and i hope it all works out for you.
I punched punctuation right in the face!
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Re: Manifoil

Postby lunchb0x » 8 Aug 2012 17:46

Depending on how the lock is mounted the last number isn't always 25, it can be 0, 25 or 75. As for ways on how to open these as said it's not something that is discussed on the open forum for obvious reasons.
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